There has been lots of discussion recently on things this list wasn't set up for. A number of members have made excellent observations which make for good reading. Still, it is wise to consider what we are here for. Over the last 2 days, 2 members have un-subscribed. Whatever their reason it suggests this off topic stuff is not healthy for all the members. Some will just leave and never say why. Please keep discussions on topic. Perhaps some of you know of a list where these more personal topics are appropriate to discuss. If you do, please send us details privately so a good discussion can be enjoyed in the right forum. -- Regards, John Durham <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> ICQ number 112663246 Fax/Phone 64 4 5286786 Award winning web site at http://modecideas.com?sig Order my latest e-book at http://modecideas.com/dmaxhits.htm?sig PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied. Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.