Here is an interesting development with regard mankind. The UN is getting a proposal today to ban all religion. http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/1/emw100794.htm Phil Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.