Dear John
You include my name in a list of people and treaties. I refute all your
mentioning of me. We haven't spoken to each other more than once.
On 22 Dec 2015 11:16, "john TIMBRELL" <johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sonya. You have not read my letter. I want out of the EU. People like
Caroline Stephens and Nigel Farage and MP Carswell refuse to discuss the
evidence for the illegal EU treaties. Until they come out into the open on
this I believe that they are working to a different agenda to that which
they profess.
They talk of using the Lisbon treaty to Brexit. All pro or against the EU
admit this will take at least two years during which time the stock market
will be jittery. Then there is the subject of Qualified majority voting. Do
you think that they will vote to let us leave. The only way out is for such
as you to publicise to the British people who know something is wrong but
while their leaders will not discuss the illegality they will be confused.
It's really that simple. Challenge and prove that the government is acting
illegally and educate stupid or corrupt people like Caroline Stephens and
Nigel Farage to help get our country back.If this matter is made public we
can put ourselves back to 1972. The government will not be able to continue
a process that the country knows is illegal
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From: "" (Redacted sender "Sonyaporter" for DMARC) ject: Fwd: Have you
decided yet?
To: johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx; charityrichards@xxxxxxxxxxx;
patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; carolinestephens52@xxxxxxxxx
Hello Mr Timbrell,
I gather that you are not in favour of leaving the EU. You may be
interested in the following article which I had in the UKIP Daily just
before the last General Election. The details are correct: I had them
checked not only by UKIP MEPs but also by a Tory MP.
Regards
Sonya Porter
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From: carolinestephens52@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 20/12/2015 09:42:52 GMT Standard Time
Subj: Caroline's Press Matters - 21st December. 2015
Caroline Stephens was a UKIP candidate for Stroud. I had a long
correspondence with her over the illegal EU treaties. She wriggled and
squirmed as BG did over the 'peaceful ' Muslim religion. It seems they are
are living a lie.
*Dear all*
*Firstly, please note that the following Best Practice/Networking/Training
Courses aimed at 'Leaving the EU' activists are being organised by Leave.EU
in the New Year:*
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Sent: 22/12/2015 09:47:42 GMT Standard Time
Subj: Have you decided yet?
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Posted on May 3, 2015 by Sonya Jay Porter
<http://www.ukipdaily.com/author/sonya-jay-porter/> in Europe
<http://www.ukipdaily.com/category/europe/>, Editorial
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Inside the chamber at the European parliament in Brussels
How you are going to vote depends, of course, on whether or not you want
your children and grandchildren to grow up under a dictatorship.
The Lib Dems are dead set on remaining part of the European Union, come
what may; the Labour Party might yet be nagged into having a referendum on
whether Britain should stay in or not, but we can’t be sure; David Cameron
says he will renegotiate our terms (although he now knows there’s no
possibility of this being successful), and then hold a referendum, but can
you really trust ‘Cast Iron Cameron’ again? And then, of course, there
are the Scots Nats, the startling new Scottish party which wants
independence from the UK for Scotland, but would then be happy, if this
were achieved, to bury its country within another, larger and less
democratic union.
And ‘less democratic’ is a mealy-mouthed term, along with ‘democratic
deficit’ or even ‘undemocratic’. What the European Union really is can be
termed a ‘group dictatorship’.
There are a total of 766 in the EU Parliament, elected by various forms of
proportional representation. Once elected, Members of the European
Parliament (MEPs) then sit, not in national blocks but in seven Europe-wide
political groups which, as stated in the EU’s guide to its institutions
(2005), ‘between them, represent all views on European integration, from
the strongly pro-federalist to the openly Eurosceptic’.
So far, so democratic.
It is important to realise that unlike Westminster, the European
Parliament does not consist of a proposing chamber, such as the House of
Commons, and a revising chamber as in the House of Lords, but that
decisions are only arrived at by various European institutions, the most
important of which are:
The Commission
The Council of Ministers
The Parliament
The EU Commission is the institution which will put forward all
‘regulations’ and ‘directives’ and a new EU Commission is set up within six
months of every five-year election. According to the guide, the Commission
is ‘independent of national governments and its job is solely to represent
and uphold the interests of the EU as a whole, including the ‘ever closer
[political] union described in Article 1 of the original Treaty of Rome’.
And it is here that democracy begins to falter.
To begin with, it is the member states’ governments which between them
will agree – in secret – who is to be the new President of the Commission
who will then, in discussions with the member states’ governments, choose
the new commissioners, one from each of the states. But none of these
commissioners, including the president, will be an MEP and none need have
been elected to any organisation at all. Nor will the MEPs vote for them
but will simply be expected to ‘approve’ them *en bloc* – and once again,
in secret.
So, it is in the European Parliament that democracy really breaks down.
It is the European Commissioners’ responsibility to put forward new
regulations or directives (or more simply, ‘laws’). Before doing so, they
will consult up to 3,000 advisory bodies and working groups and will be
expected to consider the views of the European Parliament – yet they are
also entitled to ignore them completely.
The next step is to have them ‘considered’ by the European Council of
Ministers, and each proposed law will be reviewed by the appropriate
minister from each of the 28 member states. For instance, should the
proposal involve finance, it will be each government’s Minister for Finance
who will do so, and if it concerns agriculture, then it will be the
Ministers for Agriculture.
Once agreed the proposed new law is agreed it will be sent to the European
Parliament which will send them on for study to the particular committee of
MEPs dealing with the subject involved. But in an attempt to speed up the
legislative process, the commission will then ‘facilitate’ private
discussions between the leading MEPs on the committee, civil servants and
ministers representing the European Council in a process known as the
‘Trialouge’. But this, too, will go on behind closed doors and therefore
compromises emerge which may have no resemblance to amendments suggested by
the elected MEPs in committee.
Once the commission is satisfied that the proposed laws will be passed,
they pass them on to the full Chamber of MEPs, known as the ‘plenary’, will
usually have been given only a few hours’ notice of the final voting list.
Each party will then be allowed a short time to put forward their views in
Parliament but the speaking time is allocated amongst the Parliamentary
groups on the basis of their size and group members are just given around
one or two minutes, with even their leaders being restricted in the time
they can speak. So, these cannot be termed ‘debates’, such as we see in
Westminster, but are mainly ‘sound-bites’ designed for the media.
Then come the votes. But although a proposal can be won or lost on a
simple majority of those voting in the plenary, given the scores of
proposals and their amendments that can be brought forward for voting in
one day, it is not surprising that there can be some spectacular mistakes.
Especially as the voting is merely on a show of hands! In spite of this,
should any vote be lost, this is not the end of the matter. It then goes to
‘conciliation’ during which the commission has another chance to broker a
deal between the Parliament and the council. Once again, in secret.
For it is the EU Council of Ministers which makes the final decision on
legislation. Most, but not all, EU laws are passed jointly with the
European Parliament, although in some fields the council alone legislates
but has to consult the Parliament. Once proposals are passed, the
commission is asked to publish the resulting laws – directives and
regulations – in the ‘Official Journal’ and sent to individual member
states.
In Britain, these laws then go through Parliament in the sense that they
are laid before committees which will ‘take note’ of them. But there is no
option to reject any unless Britain has a national veto on the subject
under discussion, because the UK courts are required to accept EU laws
regardless of what any Westminster Statute may say. Even the EU
Commissioners admit that a large percentage of our laws come from the
European Union.
This, in effect, means that whatever the unelected European Commission
puts forward and the Council of Ministers agrees with, will become law in
Britain.
And that means that everyone living in Britain is ultimately ruled by a
group dictatorship – not a one man (or woman) dictatorship, but a
dictatorship, nonetheless.
So, how will you vote on Thursday?
As we know, there is only one political party with members in the House of
Commons, whose main aim to get our country out a political union in Europe
– The UK Independence Party.
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Sonya Jay Porter is a free-lance writer who joined UKIP in 1994, having
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years she has had articles on various subjects -- including those related
to the European Union -- published on several web sites.
