Sonya. You have not read my letter. I want out of the EU. People like Caroline
Stephens and Nigel Farage and MP Carswell refuse to discuss the evidence for
the illegal EU treaties. Until they come out into the open on this I believe
that they are working to a different agenda to that which they profess.They
talk of using the Lisbon treaty to Brexit. All pro or against the EU admit
this will take at least two years during which time the stock market will be
jittery. Then there is the subject of Qualified majority voting. Do you think
that they will vote to let us leave. The only way out is for such as you to
publicise to the British people who know something is wrong but while their
leaders will not discuss the illegality they will be confused.It's really that
simple. Challenge and prove that the government is acting illegally and educate
stupid or corrupt people like Caroline Stephens and Nigel Farage to help get
our country back.If this matter is made public we can put ourselves back to
1972. The government will not be able to continue a process that the country
knows is illegal
From: "" <dmarc-noreply-outsider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "Sonyaporter"
for DMARC)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 04:55:07 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Have you decided yet?
To: johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx; charityrichards@xxxxxxxxxxx;
patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; carolinestephens52@xxxxxxxxx
Hello Mr Timbrell,
I gather that you are not in favour of leaving the EU. You may
be interested in the following article which I had in the UKIP Daily just
before the last General Election. The details are
correct: I had them checked not only by UKIP MEPs but also by a Tory
MP.
Regards
Sonya Porter
From: carolinestephens52@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 20/12/2015 09:42:52 GMT Standard
Time
Subj: Caroline's Press Matters - 21st December. 2015
Caroline Stephens was a UKIP candidate for Stroud. I had a long
correspondence with her over the illegal EU treaties. She wriggled and
squirmed as BG did over the 'peaceful ' Muslim religion. It seems they are
are
living a lie.
Dear
all
Firstly, please note that the following Best
Practice/Networking/Training Courses aimed at 'Leaving the EU' activists are
being organised by Leave.EU in the New Year:
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To: sonyaporter@xxxxxxx
Sent: 22/12/2015
09:47:42 GMT Standard Time
Subj: Have you decided yet?
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Inside
the chamber at the European parliament in Brussels
How
you are going to vote depends, of course, on whether or not you want your
children and grandchildren to grow up under a dictatorship.
The
Lib Dems are dead set on remaining part of the European Union, come what may;
the Labour Party might yet be nagged into having a referendum on whether
Britain should stay in or not, but we can’t be sure; David Cameron says he
will renegotiate our terms (although he now knows there’s no possibility of
this being successful), and then hold a referendum, but can you really trust
‘Cast Iron Cameron’ again? And then, of course, there are the Scots Nats,
the startling new Scottish party which wants independence from the UK for
Scotland, but would then be happy, if this were achieved, to bury its country
within another, larger and less democratic union.
And
‘less democratic’ is a mealy-mouthed term, along with ‘democratic deficit’ or
even ‘undemocratic’. What the European Union really is can be termed a ‘group
dictatorship’.
There
are a total of 766 in the EU Parliament, elected by various forms of
proportional representation. Once elected, Members of the European Parliament
(MEPs) then sit, not in national blocks but in seven Europe-wide political
groups which, as stated in the EU’s guide to its institutions (2005),
‘between
them, represent all views on European integration, from the strongly
pro-federalist to the openly Eurosceptic’.
So
far, so democratic.
It
is important to realise that unlike Westminster, the European Parliament does
not consist of a proposing chamber, such as the House of Commons, and a
revising chamber as in the House of Lords, but that decisions are only
arrived
at by various European institutions, the most important of which are:
The
Commission
The Council of Ministers
The Parliament
The
EU Commission is the institution which will put forward all ‘regulations’ and
‘directives’ and a new EU Commission is set up within six months of every
five-year election. According to the guide, the Commission is
‘independent of national governments and its job is solely to represent and
uphold the interests of the EU as a whole, including the ‘ever closer
[political] union described in Article 1 of the original Treaty of Rome’.
And
it is here that democracy begins to falter.
To
begin with, it is the member states’ governments which between them will
agree
– in secret – who is to be the new President of the Commission who will then,
in discussions with the member states’ governments, choose the new
commissioners, one from each of the states. But none of these commissioners,
including the president, will be an MEP and none need have been elected
to any organisation at all. Nor will the MEPs vote for them but will
simply be expected to ‘approve’ them en
bloc – and once again, in
secret.
So,
it is in the European Parliament that democracy really breaks down.
It
is the European Commissioners’ responsibility to put forward new regulations
or directives (or more simply, ‘laws’). Before doing so, they will consult up
to 3,000 advisory bodies and working groups and will be expected to consider
the views of the European Parliament – yet they are also entitled to ignore
them completely.
The
next step is to have them ‘considered’ by the European Council of Ministers,
and each proposed law will be reviewed by the appropriate
minister from each of the 28 member states. For instance, should the
proposal involve finance, it will be each government’s Minister for Finance
who will do so, and if it concerns agriculture, then it will be the Ministers
for Agriculture.
Once
agreed the proposed new law is agreed it will be sent to the European
Parliament which will send them on for study to the particular
committee of MEPs dealing with the subject involved. But in an attempt
to speed up the legislative process, the commission will then ‘facilitate’
private discussions between the leading MEPs on the committee, civil servants
and ministers representing the European Council in a process known as the
‘Trialouge’. But this, too, will go on behind closed doors and therefore
compromises emerge which may have no resemblance to amendments suggested by
the elected MEPs in committee.
Once
the commission is satisfied that the proposed laws will be passed, they pass
them on to the full Chamber of MEPs, known as the ‘plenary’, will usually
have
been given only a few hours’ notice of the final voting list. Each party will
then be allowed a short time to put forward their views in Parliament but
the speaking time is allocated amongst the Parliamentary groups on the basis
of their size and group members are just given around one or two minutes,
with even their leaders being restricted in the time they can speak. So,
these cannot be termed ‘debates’, such as we see in Westminster, but
are mainly ‘sound-bites’ designed for the media.
Then
come the votes. But although a proposal can be won or lost on a simple
majority of those voting in the plenary, given the scores of proposals and
their amendments that can be brought forward for voting in one day,
it is not surprising that there can be some spectacular mistakes. Especially
as the voting is merely on a show of hands! In spite of this, should any
vote be lost, this is not the end of the matter. It then goes to
‘conciliation’ during which the commission has another chance to broker a
deal
between the Parliament and the council. Once again, in secret.
For
it is the EU Council of Ministers which makes the final decision on
legislation. Most, but not all, EU laws are passed jointly with the European
Parliament, although in some fields the council alone legislates but has to
consult the Parliament. Once proposals are passed, the commission is asked to
publish the resulting laws – directives and regulations – in the ‘Official
Journal’ and sent to individual member states.
In
Britain, these laws then go through Parliament in the sense that they are
laid
before committees which will ‘take note’ of them. But there is no option to
reject any unless Britain has a national veto on the subject under
discussion,
because the UK courts are required to accept EU laws regardless of what any
Westminster Statute may say. Even the EU Commissioners admit that a large
percentage of our laws come from the European Union.
This,
in effect, means that whatever the unelected European Commission puts forward
and the Council of Ministers agrees with, will become law in Britain.
And
that means that everyone living in Britain is ultimately ruled by a group
dictatorship – not a one man (or woman) dictatorship, but a dictatorship,
nonetheless.
So,
how will you vote on Thursday?
As
we know, there is only one political party with members in the House of
Commons, whose main aim to get our country out a political union in Europe –
The UK Independence Party.
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Sonya
Jay Porter is a free-lance writer who joined UKIP in 1994, having previously
worked as a journalist in Dubai in the 1980s. Over the past few years she has
had articles on various subjects -- including those related to the European
Union -- published on several web
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