[patriots] FW: Re: The Dark Web
- From: "Rays1" <rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Patriots list" <patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 11:23:44 +0100
From: Rays1 [mailto:rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 06 September 2014 00:37
To: 'ECG'
Subject: RE: Re: [patriots] The Dark Web
Hello Red - and Fred,
Some interesting posts just recently and I agree that communication is key to
just about everything (just look at the
effect of any biased mass media - anywhere - for example)
If we could establish a communication network/system which is not subject to
minority control, then all this elitist,
common purpose, 'leadership' outside authority, fascist nonsense could not
proceed but, it is a difficult thing to tackle on a
national scale....security, espionage "intelligence"? - the list goes on. If
all were saintly, compassionate and without greed
then it would not be a problem but that's just not the case, unfortunately.
I looked into this independent network subject a little while ago but I just
don't have the expertise in this area. All I could
fathom was that I could fairly easily transmit my own network thru router, and
possibly a range extender, to say, my
neighbours down the road, maybe with directed aerials but, no more than
hundreds or thousands of yards away at best and given
flat terrain without hills or many buildings in the way. I don't know anything
about using cb radio using digital signals over
the airwaves but it sounds promising!. I'm willing to try a practical
experiment with it if you can suggest one?
The TOR network seems a good one but practically speaking, none of it should be
regarded as 100% secure just as you say,
however; the Tor one is probably as about as secure as we can currently get. It
does'nt seem to me that one 'node' or 'relay'
being compromised necessarily renders the whole thing insecure as you mentioned
since the beauty of it is that it is encrypted
3X at each 'node' so, the anonymous chain would not be broken - and that's what
makes it such a frustration for spooks.
Yes, they may well have super-computer resources to crack anything but if ALL
of us used it, it would become so hopelessly
entangled that it'd be useless to spy upon it as they do now. It would be a bit
like getting on an anonymous bus; the one
compromised 'node' you mentioned would indeed reveal one location you had been
at but that's all... What's for sure is that
the more that did use it, the more time-consuming and costly it'd be to spy on
it -and the more frustrated 'they' would become.
I watched the programme Jack gave a link to about this and it's well worth a
watch
My personal view is that all this 'surveillance' nonsense, and building such
vast computer data centres to store even the most
mundane and trivial of ALL emails, texts etc (at massive $milions energy costs
alone) is already approaching the psychotic.
The (in)famous American phrase of "Total Information Awareness", factually
equates to a desire to be all-knowing and
omnipotent; it's a desire to become GOD above man and means eventual total
paranoia and lunacy for them as well as us.
Fred, you are pretty much 'on the ball ' in practical terms...I'd like to see
practical answers too
Ray
From: ECG [mailto:ecg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 05 September 2014 15:02
To: ECG
Subject: Fwd: Re: [patriots] The Dark Web
Guys where I work we just got a half page ad in the evening standard for £4k
The eve standard gets put on all the train and tube seats and london is a sixth
of the population.
Let's start penning an ad.
Red.
Sent from my iPad
On 4 Sep 2014, at 23:50, ECG <ecg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[I'm with BT - you have to actively sign up to openzone and it is made clear
that your router will be open. MG]
There is another way. That is to use private wireless transmission with each
member being a node. Remember the cb radio days, well digital radio today uses
digital signals over analogue waves. It should not be to much to convert an
existing wifi router to emit over a greater area and use a selection of
frequencies that could be changed weekly.
Bt already use other peoples routers to propagate their Btopenzone network and
I have proved this, although someone recently pointed out to me that apparently
bt customers sign and agree to this in their terms and conditions, probably
without realising.
Red.
Sent from my iPad
On 4 Sep 2014, at 20:08, ECG <ecg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
True, most of these clever programs are either put up by the spies or they by
whatever means gain a back-door into them.
The best way to send secret messages over email is to use a complicated
encryption that you set up offline. There are many available you do on paper,
use several in a sequence and it would take ages for them to crack it. Choose
right and they can't because they won't be able to identify common word lengths.
In the end it's not worth it. Send someone a letter if you must and use a
security sticker on the seams. Other than that... give up on being secure.
Colin
On 04/09/14 18:05, ECG wrote:
Just a thought chaps, a friend from my BNP days whose son works in government
internet surveillance told me back in about 2008 that his son had told him,
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