[patriots] FW: Re: News re Holocaust
- From: "Fred Bishop" <fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:16:58 +0100
JUST CHECKING
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jack Lewis
Sent: 21 September 2014 17:12
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
I would add to that; The Jews need to ask themselves why the world hates
them so much? Also why is it necessary to criminalise questioning the
Holocaust in about 18 different countries? Clearly the Jews are scared of
something and they demand and get special protection. What is so special
about Jews except everyone hates them?
Jack
On 21/09/2014 16:31, judith wrote:
Hi Ray
Before you go please allow me to add something to the debate.
If we do not understand the power and the agenda behind the holocaust
narrative,
then we will never be able to understand who or what we are fighting today
or even how we have arrived at this point.
The holocaust has been used as the ultimate moral justification for
multiculturalism and non white immigration. Irmin Vinson in his book 'Some
thoughts on Hitler & Other Essays', writes, If the Holocaust is . the Jewish
collective memory of WWII, then we who are not Jews are thinking about our
past with someone else's memory, seeing both the past and its implications
for the present through Jewish eyes rather than our own.
The Holocaust seeks to indict all Westerners [mainly whites] as having an
inborn hatred of Jews - anti -Semitism and racism - which has enabled the
imposition of draconian race/hate laws upon all western nations and
subsequent removal of free speech. Just to question the Holocaust is an
imprisonable offence and as Sylivia Stolz, Simon Shepherd and others
discovered 'the truth is no defence'. So if your version of the Holocaust is
so true then why can we 'deniers' not question it freely, unless of course,
it is the biggest lie ever told?
Judith
On 21/09/14 12:35, Rays1 wrote:
Jack,
With the best will in the world, This is becoming fruitless as the norms of
debate seem to be being a little bypassed
You are STILL focussing upon "The Joos" figures alone whilst my original
point was, why dont we examine the issues
involved in locking up masses of population without cause? And that this is
what is in store for all of us in the end
I already agreed with you that those figures are open to dispute and thus I
acknowledged that it was NOT an "irrelevant detail"
but, you respond to me as if I have NOT agreed with that!?
When I in actual fact, AGREE with you; you nevertheless respond as if I had
NOT agreed with you...the question then
becomes; why are you persisting in creating causes for us to pointlessly
'fight' rather than continue reasoned debate as to what we
may logistically achieve from here?
We've had this before, Jack and you already know that I dislike such
adversarial conflict for little apparent reason.
As before, I simply want to achieve something,. logistically - to help save
my country from what I perceive to be it's bleak
future in the EU
You sent a list of "figures" but, Jack, they are no more reliable than if I
drew up and sent you a list of figures to the opposite
If this is going to go down the route of disrespect and ridicule of me
simply because I pose a question,
then we have reached an 'end-stage', it would seem
Just take me off this list then?
All the best for you and yours in the future whatever the case
....................
Ray
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jack Lewis
Sent: 20 September 2014 19:01
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
That's a hell of an admission! From 6 million down to 271,000 and you just
glossed over it an irrelevant detail.
German's enemies were forced in the same we forced Germans, Italians and
Japs into internment camps.
One of things missing from your emails on this issue is 'evidence'. There is
no point in quoting the 'official' line as this is exactly what our evidence
contradicts. If you want to continue this discussion you have to show where
our evidence is wrong .
Mike has already given you much to consider but I bet you don't look at it.
Jack
On 20/09/2014 18:38, Rays1 wrote:
Hello Jack,
As I say, the numbers may well be in dispute, I agree but, the point remains
that people being *forced* into camps
is still always overlooked don't you think?
We may all soon be forced into them as well I think. The underlying and
over-arching fascist attitude towards masses of
the population is what I'm getting at. It's this we are facing again -
albeit in a much more sophisticated and computerised
manner that the Nazis and Stalinists could only dream of achieving
What we are dealing with is deeper than distracting arguments over things
like the numbers involved
The NOW is what concerns me more...and how we all deal with it and respond
to it logistically, hence my suggestion for
wide-spread leaflets and such, you know?
Ray
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jack Lewis
Sent: 20 September 2014 15:43
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Hi Ray,
Mike mentioned the Red Cross having representatives in EVERY camp - the Red
Cross produced a document that showed the total death toll over all the
camps was just over 271,301 people. See document below.
Jack
http://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/auschwitz.jpg
Calm down Ray, no-one is saying anything of the sort. Of course there were
dead and dying, and of course the scenes encountered by the camp liberators
were horrifying, but this was only in some of the camps. These particular
camps just so happened to have typhus and other epidemics raging through
them and had not been receiving food or medical supplies for months as a
direct result of the allies bombing the supply lines. This is a matter of
record, indeed the Red Cross, who had representatives in ALL of the camps,
said that the allied bombing did more harm to the inmates in those those
particular camps during the last three or four months leading up to their
liberation than the Germans had done throughout the entire war. That is what
your friends and relatives witnessed as opposed to the hysterical lies and
propaganda that you are spouting. Did you not know that the allied medical
corps (both US and British) carried out post mortems on thousands of the
dead and reported that the inmates had died from typhus and other diseases
and malnutrition? Not one single case of death by gas poisoning could be
found. None! Their reports can still be seen today/ Your American officers
were absolutely correct to be disgusted but, acting on pure impulse,
unfortunately they took their disgust out on the wrong people.
As for you reference to "gas ovens", they were actually coke fired
crematoria, designed and built to cremate people who died in the camps.
Bodies could not be buried, particularly at Auschwitz, because of the risk
of Typhus so they were burned. There were only a small number of crematoria,
and certainly nowhere near enough to burn the ridiculous numbers touted by
the propagandists. They have done one heck of a job on you Ray. Where were
you when Jack was presenting you with all of the evidence that blows these
lies to pieces? With respect I really do suggest it is time you take your
gas tinted spectacles off and do some serious research into this. Until you
have done so then I hardly think you are in a position to make such
judgements as you have here.
Mike.
On 20/09/14 14:33, Rays1 wrote:
Now, I've respect for all and both here, and John T but, consider me as 'Joe
Public' for a second, ok?
From this 'devils advocate' position, you appear to be saying that all the
concentration camp evidence of decimated
and starved bodies (many even being bull-dozed into pits) - which all older
folks know of, - "was all edited and revamped
in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock". The archaeological, physical, human
bodily remains in purpose-built and intentionally ENGINEERED
gas ovens, and ALL photographic records which openly support and prove the
veracity of my relatives personal witness, should now be
instantly dismissed as just so much BS ...and just because you claim,....
"The film footage of allies entering the concentration camps
was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock"
Have you any idea how completely "NUTSO" that might sound to everyone else?
Just listen for a second, Ok?. I have family relatives that were amongst
those that actually entered those camps as part of
our army and who personally witnessed those atrocities on the ground - and
at that time. They told me that some American
officers were so utterly disgusted at what they witnessed that they simply
dragged out the nearest Nazi in charge and summarily
hung them on the spot. (Clearly a war crime too but, one of the few that
might be somewhat understandable?)
It was clear that some of ours did exactly the same
My wifes Grandad experienced both world wars - sadly, died at 95yrs -...Am
I, or the public at large, supposed to
abruptly drop our life beliefs and our loved ones honest testimony to us as
'delusions' and instead embrace your text?
So, my relatives lied to me, did they ?!.. their senses somehow betrayed
them and they were simply unaware that they were
in fact, taking an unwitting part in........film footage of allies entering
the concentration camps was all edited and revamped in
Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock.."
Oh, I see!...So they were all 'deluded' and did not realise that all their
tramping and fighting across France for weeks on end
beforehand was actually doing no more than playing a bit part in a Hollywood
plot devised by Alfred Hitchcock?!!....Really...?
Oh, Give me a break.
Ray
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of john TIMBRELL
Sent: 20 September 2014 08:08
To: cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Thanks for your reply Chris. Have you any knowledge of the cotent of the
film which would contradict my suspicion which is, that the film showed the
true position of the camps.i.e no gas chambers and that the piles of bodies
were the result of starvation and disease.
I suspect the Jews knew this and stopped it's circulation.
If I am right I suspect they will try and stop it's transmission and it will
need people like yourself to force it's transmission.
There was another reel of film which Hitchcock did not use.
If the Imperial War Museum did an unbiased job of restoring the film and
including the added reel then it may show some true light on the subject and
awaken the present public to the lies spread by the Jews and now supported
by Cameron. JohnT
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From: cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx; patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:08:34 +0100
Hello John,
The film footage of allies entering the concentration camps was all edited
and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock, including the wheeling of
dead Germans to passed off as Jews - see attached file - Chris
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of john TIMBRELL
Sent: 18 September 2014 08:45
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] News re Holocaust
BBC radio 4 0815 + 18th Sept. Hear now on iPlayer.
Review of previously unshown film restored at the British war museum.
This is material filmed by ordinary people but specially trained as
cameramen who accompanied soldiers as they entered the concentration camps.
The material was collated by Alfred Hitchcock but was never shown in a
completed form. No reason given as yet.
The reviewer said there were heaps of bodies and people in a terrible state.
A decision was made to keep the people within the camps to feed them because
there was no food outside the camps. Plus the camps were riddled with typhus
and they did not wish the disease to be spread outside the camps.
I'm unsure of the following. The man commissioning the film was named
Bernstein. Perhaps he was the person who decided not to show the film. JohnT
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