[patriots] Re: FW: Re: Internet & e-mail security
- From: "Rays1" <rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <mikegreen247@xxxxxxxxx>, <patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:44:38 +0100
Yes, Mike as you say, it seems to me too that the
problem always comes back to
the fact that the ISP is your link-in; control
that and you control all info either way?
The only thing that you know is sort of 'safe' is
data you actually transmit yourself it would
seem. Even then, 'they' can still trace you but it
is VERY much harder for them.
It's a bit like an old WW2 movie where the
resistance has to transmit via their
own transmitters - and then, the only way 'they'
can track you is if they triangulate upon
your physical location ...picture David Icke
transmitting from an attic with headphones on
as the lizards burst through the door with machine
guns!
I know we can transmit data via our own routers
but the problem then is one of distance as
I mentioned earlier. I found I could only transmit
locally a couple of hundred yards or maybe
a little further using directed aerials etc but
that's not far enough, is it?
Red mentioned something about transmitting data
over the air waves, something like the
CB radio maybe but, that's out of my expertise and
we'd need someone to advise. It sounds feasible
to me though. Of course, they'd probably then
'outlaw' that, or license it to death...and so the
eternal
infowar would continue Ad-Infinitum - as I also
mentioned earlier, it's really all quite paranoid
and 'nutso' but, that's the path they seem
hell-bent upon pursuing so as to spy on us -and
which all
sane people will forever resent and resist.
For sure, the TOR and/or maidsafe are better than
nothing and complicate the spying for them
and that's better than nothing.
So if they do then block access to that or outlaw
it, well, we cross that bridge as we come to it
as Jack said....we would also be forcing them out
from under their metaphorical rocks so that they'd
have to be more open about their spying and we
would all be much more aware of it when we
communicate..
..and that's also a good thing.
Ray
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Mike Green
Sent: 10 September 2014 14:26
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: FW: Re: Internet & e-mail
security
Hi Ray,
Using the TOR browser I can connect to blocked
sites without a problem as my ISP only knows that
I am connecting to a TOR server, not which site I
am visiting. However if they wanted to BT could
simply block me from connecting to the TOR
network. As far as I can see they will also be
able to block the Maidsafe network should they
feel like it, or if instructed to do so by the
government.
Mike.
On 10/09/14 13:55, Rays1 wrote:
From: Rays1 [mailto:rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 10 September 2014 13:54
To: 'mikegreen247@xxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [patriots] Re: Internet & e-mail
security
Mike,
My ISP also blocks all peer to peer sharing
websites now as well so it seems that ALL of them
do, and
have all taken this action at the same time - so
much for internet freedom
Try using a TOR browser to access one - what
happens then?
Ray
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Mike Green
Sent: 10 September 2014 13:29
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: Internet & e-mail security
Yes, it is a bit like peer to peer file sharing
which I used to use a lot. BT and other ISPs knew
when I was doing it and, as you said earlier
Colin, they throttled my speed. These days BT is
blocking me completely from accessing peer to peer
sharing websites. I just don't see how Maidsafe
will be any different. The number of sites blocked
increases by the day. If the authorities decide
they don't want people using Maidsafe then they
will have it shut down or simply have ISPs block
or ban anyone who attempts to use it.
Mike.
On 10/09/14 13:16, Colin wrote:
I understand it a little better now.
It seems you will use broadband to send and
receive the data between the networked PC's.
Although it relies on the speed of individuals
connections, I guess it won't matter due to the
data being everywhere. It'll pick it up where it
is fastest, and maybe even closest (like the cloud
works now).
It's a system that will only work once millions
use it, until then it's bound to be a little
slower.
I say give it a go when launched, we've nothing to
lose after all.
Tor on the other hand, I trust very little.
Colin.
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