Jared, You're not using some sort of centralized authentication mechanism, such as LDAP, NIS+, etc. are you? Thanks, Matt ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Still Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:48 PM To: tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: dba group already exists in linux On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:10 PM, S. Anthony Sequeira <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Maybe it's in shadow, a group removed improperly. Try grpck, and for good measure pwck. GRPCK(8) System Management Commands GRPCK(8) NAME grpck - verify integrity of group files Thanks for the suggestions, though that doesn't seem to be the problem. I have seen this before, just never pursued it. As I am building a new server, and not a test box, I would like to do it properly. So far, no luck. strace of groupadd didn't reveal anything either. -- Jared Still Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist