The SQLDeveloper that Frank is referring to, please correct me if I'm wrong, is from http://sqldeveloper.solyp.com/index.html. This is different from the free one from Oracle which, after trying everything including Toad, I prefer. William ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ghassan Salem Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 4:21 PM To: ecpdba97@xxxxxxxxx Cc: orclwzrd@xxxxxxxxx; oracle-l Subject: Re: The end of TOra SQLDev is pricey? it costs 0$ not counting download price. Can you beat that? On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Frank Pettinato <ecpdba97@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: John, I have used SQLDeveloper since it first came out. Love it, but it is pricey. For a cheaper alternative try PL/SQL Developer. Don't let the name throw you, it is a great tool for DBA's as well as Developers. HTH, Frank ----- Original Message ---- From: John D Parker <orclwzrd@xxxxxxxxx> To: oracle-l <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:56:27 PM Subject: The end of TOra Well, I visited the SourceForge site of my long time fav Oracle tool TOra. The end of life release has been posted. Why is it my favorite tools die ugly deaths... Does anyone have a suggestion for replacing TOra in my desktop toolkit? What's your fav tool. I've tried sql developer and Tom Kyte may like it but ICK! is all I can say. I'm a DBA not a Developer. TOra could snoop around and build code. I'd love to hear your thoughts. John