Morning Alan, I can't help you with the German I'm afraid, being a Brit, I only speak one language! (Ok, I can order two lemon ice creams in Italian as well!) > Also, if you know of any good companies in or near Munich... A number of years ago, I worked in a software house in Leeds UK. One of our customers was BMW Bank in Munich. They were heavily into Oracle. I spent a few months working in Munich at the Bank's premises at 164 (I think) Hiedermann Strasse (Spelling?) - you may wish to try there. I wonder if "Portfolio" is still running? Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l