Quoting Cary Millsap's father (slightly adapted)
There are two answers to every question: The correct answer and the one the
OCP-test wants you to check. I want you to know them both!
Regards, Carel-Jan
=== If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. (Derek Bok) ===
I took the classes....got the self test software....took the self tests over and over again until I scored 95% or higher WITHOUT cheating. Didn't fail a single exam. If you get a question wrong, go research why you got it wrong. Over and over and over. I at least put in a good 80 hrs study time per test.
One thing to remember about this method is that by studying why you got a question wrong, you learn at the same time.
Then when you are a OCP and get the job, remember the real test begins.
Glad to say I've never had a instance crash or run poorly (besides the crazy things my developers do to the db.....lol).
Keith M. Cutler Oracle 8i Certified DBA
----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:ChrisStephens@xxxxxxxxxx>Chris Stephens To: <mailto:'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'>'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
I wholeheartedly agree. ...but I think it is also true that even among non-dba types, the legitimacy of the ocp is declining due to the fact that there are so many people out there that pass the tests because they have a 'question repository'. I remember trying to aquire the classroom documentation via the internet because my company would not send me to the classes (nor did I want to go to the class). In my search I came across several dba forums where the exact questions and answers were laid out for everyone to see. ...it's crap. ...it's also one of the (probably too few) times in my life where I took the moral high road and went on to the next google hit...often not before posting a nasty message to the forum.
Hell...I studied the documentation from the classes and investigated what I didn't understand via working through examples and referencing the official documentation. I felt pretty good about getting the certification and felt I was a fully competent dba. ...and then I joined this list and realized just how little I knew. ...I shudder to think what has happened at companies where some newly knighted ocp lands a production dba gig with all the confidence that (sometimes) comes by passing the tests. ...I struggle with not screwing things up as it is! J
I know this has been discussed before.......but this hits home. I am currently looking for a job and because I don't personally feel I'm at the sr. dba level and as a result don't market myself as such, my resume probably gets lumped in with a bunch of people who hold certifications but can't do a d@mn thing!! ...and given the current market situation, it's not a fun place to be!
Woo. That felt good. ...back to reading oracle design. ...thanks mogens for reminding me just how good this book is!
chris
-----Original Message----- From: Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:40 AM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
> ..if it has any value at all.
I must disagree with this statement.
True, it may have no value among your Oracle peers.
But I doubt that anyone here is getting it to impress their peers. We all know better. Wrong answers, dumb questions, etc.
The OCP may be the deciding factor when applying for employment.
Check monster.com and dice.com. I have seen ads on several occasions that *require* OCP.
It may also be tied to an individuals employment grade and/or salary increase.
You just need to consider another perspective on the subject.
Jared
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And this is one of the reasons ocp gets to be less and less valuable....if it has any value at all.
...study the database...not the questions.
-----Original Message----- From: Kommareddy, Srinivas (MED, Wissen Infotech) [mailto:Srinivas.Kommareddy@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:51 AM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; "'=SMTP:oracledba@xxxxxxxxxxx'"@int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
Hi,
Do you need an easy way ?
ping me personallly if you need the question bank. You willl get more than 60-70% of the questions in the exam from this question bank.
Thanks and Regads, Srinivas
-----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of VIVEK_SHARMA Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:04 PM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; LazyDBA.com Discussion Subject: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
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