I'm an old dinosaur. I still create scripts and run them through sqlplus. Besides, in our environment, we never have direct access to the server. It is locked away from the DBA's. I know I can use Cygwin. But why bother. DBCA is just a gui tool that is not needed! -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yechiel Adar Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:30 PM To: ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Litchfield on October patch I created my own template without all the stuff that I do not need and do not have mdsys or spatial in my databases. Like every tool, you have to know what you are doing. Adar Yechiel Rechovot, Israel Paul Drake wrote: >Basically, the schema mdsys is created by default in a dbca db, even >if the spatial option is not being installed. > > -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l