You're right that the 10046 trace shown below was only soft parsed, but when I ran the 10053 trace I flushed the shared pool first and checked to make sure the recursive query was hard parsed, but it still didn't show up in the 10053 trace file. Thanks anyway, Brandon ________________________________ From: Alex Gorbachev [mailto:ag@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Well, it's soft parse probably so shouldn't produce any trace on 10053 event. Not sure if it will produce anything even if ti's hard parsed first time but that's an idea to try at least. Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it.