Perhaps, but we had the same skills while inside Oracle, and lots of Oracle staff listened to us back then. Now they don't. We must therefor have become less intelligent when we went through the Open Gateway to Freedom. You should try it! Mogens Pete Sharman wrote: > Ah, yes, but we ALSO know that you can write and Cary can teach, so where d= > oes that put us now? :) > > = > > Pete > = > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > = > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------