Cordelia and list, Just commenting off the top of my head, so my memory is probably not as accurate as I wish it were. This topic has been discussed at length in previous years. I don't know if anyone has tried the Videotim, but if memory serves, many of us have determined that this device probably doesn't work as well as the optacon, due to its lack of ability to show the detail that the optacon array shows. I recall reading that the Videotim's array is supposed to display two letters at a time, but the number of pins is much less. I don't know if it's still being manufactured; whatever the status is, it hasn't caught on with optacon users on this list. There was quite a discussion of its lack of ability to show real-time images; I think it has a camera that takes a picture of a page before displaying it. This wouldn't work too well with something like a computer screen, where the display changes quickly; the picture couldn't keep up with what's going on as changes occur. Mary to view the list archives, go to: www.freelists.org/archives/optacon-l To unsubscribe at any time, just send a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject. Tell your friends about the list. They can subscribe by sending a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject.