Jeroen The BBC bit rates you are receiving FOC are the same on DVB-S (Astra 2) = and DVB-T as a matter of policy. I think you might soon be receiving ITV = FOC by the same route before long. And The Netherlands (Eindhoven) is in = the primary beam of Astra 2D. I think it is well known that there are now= many BBc and indeed ITV viewers (who have the FTV or Sky card ) in Europ= e as there are a lot of people phoning in on live shows. It is very big b= usiness in Southern Europe : with a 1.2M dish in Portugal (Algarve) all = Sky Digital is perfect. There is a very big grey market: you just read th= e expat newspapers for the ads.. Of course BBC are unencrypted and I would wager that their 16x9 broadcast= s are being used to calibrate Philips widescreen TVs with off-air source.= . Kind Regards, Dermot Nolan -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: , INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = Date: 18/03/105 14:55 PM RE: [opendtv] Re: Why Freeview succeeded = Hello, = Alan Roberts wrote: = > Freeview pictures are clearly inferior to the analogue pictures I get a= t > home, but I'm in a minority because I have a decent aerial and can see = CP > mast, so I get a good strong clean signal (21mV on BBC ONE analogue). > (...) = > But the biggest single selling point for me is that the channels are, = for > the most part, 16:9. The second biggest selling point is that I can get= = BBC > FOUR and THREE. I can get all of that here, hundreds of kilometers away, from = the Astra2 satellite ! And in perfect quality too. For free ! = If you think that the terrestrial signal is inferior (the same = is said of the DVB-T signals in NL and Belgium), then I don't = understand why you just don't get a satellite dish and get it = over with. They compress more lightly, and you will be happier. = I can send you a photo of my dish with 3 LNBs, and Triax don't = even recommend this dish for 3. But it works anyway, haha. = BTW, I will consider Digitenne (Dutch DVB-T) for a third or = fourth TV, but my first and second will stay tuned on Astra ! = Best, = -- Jeroen = +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------= --+ | From: Jeroen H. 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