I think it is Bert who has been the whiner and attention seeker on this l= ist (nothing better to do then this glorious spring?) and the frequent te= dious tirades against Craig and others are unsupported by facts. Now that= we know he hasn't even got an ATSC receiver. Please! But various people = fall into the trap of taking Bert seriously and arguing with him: why bot= her?. I do not have that problem and am not politically correct. In Europ= e we have a word for people like Bert whi argue for the sake of argument,= don't contribute to anything, and don't have either experience or facts = behind them. Then we are less PC over here, but my old dad had a very goo= d word for it. I leave it out for sensibility reasons Kind Regards, Dermot Nolan -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: , INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = Date: 23/03/105 01:29 PM RE: [opendtv] Re: Latest 5th Gen = Manfredi, Albert E wrote: > On the other hand, there's nothing quite as > aggravating as petulant, whiny children. We aren't > getting DVB-T, okay? Get over it. This often seems to be the response when someone criticizes ATSC. But = ATSC continues be be vulnerable to criticism because the repeated = promises for improvement continue to be broken. It is of course somewhat offensive to be called a whiny child. And is = possibly somewhat stuffy to make such authoritative statements about an = uncertain future. Not a good debating technique but maybe at least a = way to bring uncomfortable topics to an embarrassed silence. At least you didn't print in all caps. ;-) - Tom > John Shutt wrote: > = > = >>But they're not. Why not? Because they know how >>difficult (read: expensive) it is to build an ATSC >>box that actually is plug and play. > = > = > I thought LG claimed $50 by 2006, with date certain. > Your reason can't be right. > = > I speculate instead that they simply want to minimize > risk by having Congress set a date certain for analog > shutoff. And that the same would have happened with > DVB-T boxes if they had first been introduced in one > of the Euro countries where OTA TV languishes. > = > Either that, or a conspiracy of pay-TV providers got > to them. > = > = >>It's disgusting that it comes down to someone like >>Bert arguing for ATSC when he hasn't even tried one >>yet. > = > = > On the other hand, there's nothing quite as > aggravating as petulant, whiny children. We aren't > getting DVB-T, okay? 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