This article rang a bell. This is a very intriguing concept, described back in December of 2002 in RFC 3453, where a new FEC technique is supposed to allow for error-free file transfer using only FEC, one pass, impervious to dropouts during transmission, and low overhead. Needless to say, it would apply to DTV as well as it can to digital radio. These codes are generally referred to as "expandable FEC codes." Here's the description of how it works, from RFC 3453, Section 2.5: "From any k of the received encoding symbols, the FEC decoder recreates the k original source symbols as follows. If all k original source symbols are received, then no decoding is necessary. Otherwise, at least one redundant symbol is received, from which the receiver can easily determine if the block is composed of variable- length source symbols: if the redundant symbol(s) is longer than the source symbols then the source symbols are variable- length. Note that in a variable-length block the redundant symbols are always longer than the longest source symbol, due to the presence of the prepended symbol- length. The receiver can determine the value of lmax by subtracting x from the length of a received redundant symbol. For each of the received original source symbols, the receiver can generate the corresponding padded source symbol as described above. Then, the input to the FEC decoder is the set of received redundant symbols, together with the set of padded source symbols constructed from the received original symbols. The FEC decoder then produces the set of k padded source symbols. Once the k padded source symbols have been recovered, the length l_i of original source symbol i can be recovered from the first x bytes of the ith padded source symbol, and then original source symbol i is obtained by taking the next l_i bytes following the x bytes of the length field." Claro? Bert ------------------------------------ Deal pushes algorithms into digital radio Loring Wirbel Apr 13, 2004 (11:00 AM) URL: http://www.commsdesign.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=3D18901216 COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.- Digital Fountain Inc. will announce licensing pacts this week with Honda Motor Co. and XM Satellite Radio Inc. that will push its data-transport algorithms into digital radio.=20 The Raptor algorithms, based on the company's patented Luby Transform Codes, promise full data transmission without packet retransmission, essentially replacing TCP transport with what the company calls "metacontent" packets. Honda and XM have not said how Raptor will be used, but Digital Fountain president and chief executive officer Charlie Oppenheimer said that auto manufacturers want to use satellite radio as a baseline service for providing "Tivo-like" functions within the in-car network, including video storage and retransmission, global-positioning satellite coordinate updates and Internet data services. Synchronizing such services would be next to impossible in normal terrestrial cellular or satellite networks, since moving vehicles go through dead zones. Oppenheimer said that the work of the company's founder, University of California at Berkeley professor Michael Luby, is similar to math principles on the solution of simultaneous linear equations, implying that receipt of packets in an aggregate length equal to the size of the original transmission would allow reconstruction of the message, regardless of whether packets were dropped. "This eliminates acknowledgement and re-transmission, because it doesn't matter which packets you receive," he said. The algorithm can be embedded into traditional codecs, but is not intended as a replacement for compression. In fact, Sumitomo Electric Co. has licensed the Digital Fountain technology for use with MPEG-4 codecs for its StreamCruiser Internet Protocol-based set-top box. The metacontent packets essentially eliminate the need for forward-error-correction circuits, which could radically change the design of broadband wide-area network line cards if the algorithms are widely adopted. The metacontent packet creator, which can be implemented in a server or other centralized hardware system, uses UDP unicast or multicast to send the packets to other nodes in the system. Oppenheimer said that Digital Fountain anticipates using its algorithms as a basic Layer 4 transport technology for a variety of future markets. "Another area we're seeing immediate interest in is transmission of video over 802.11 wireless networks," Oppenheimer said. Transmission of loss-free video can be implemented over Wi-Fi, digital subscriber line or cable, he said, and over any virtual private network operating at Layers 2 or 3. Copyright =A9 2003 CMP Media ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.