On Jun 3, 2013, at 4:59 PM, "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Craig Birkmaier wrote: > >> It's clear they were not in bed with the MVPDs, who had then, >> and still have, a small group of captive suppliers for Digital >> Rights Management (DRM) and STB products. > > This proves nothing, though. The CE manufacturers still today seem to be > ready to roll over and do the bidding of the MVPDs. Even today, with their > pathetic "connected TV" products. The fact that the CEA was deliberately > trying to sabotage the one and only unwalled TV distribution medium of the > time, favoring at best to build in MVPD-dependent technologies, knowing > **full well** that a cable tuner and an OTA tuner share the vast majority of > the same components, makes it really hard to swallow that they weren't > getting kickbacks from the cable industry. I fail to see how the CE manufacturers are rolling over on smart TVs, or that the MVPDs have something to do with this. The content oligopoly is directly responsible for the tactics we see today regarding delivery of their programs over the Internet. The CE industry is desperately trying to control the transition to OTT via their smart TVs. But they were mostly clueless, just throwing stuff out there in hopes that they can keep Apple or Google from taking over this business too. It is the content oligopoly that is using the MVPDs to control access to shows via the Internet. They are responsible for blocking Google TV. They are responsible for requiring an MVPD subscription to watch local television broadcasts via the Internet. This is not to say that the MVPDs are not in cahoots; it benefits both oligopolies to tie them together to access high value content. The MVPDs are the collection agency; they have the consumer financial relationships, and they are willing to collect billions for the content oligopoly, as long as they have exclusive first rights to programming, along with OTA broadcasters. BUT, the OTA broadcasters are dispensable; the content oligopoly can now live without them, but the reverse is not true. But the content oligopoly cannot continue to collect monopoly rents for their content without the willing cooperation of the distribution oligopoly (MVPDs). Will this change? Perhaps. It is now possible to deliver ANY program via the Internet on a pay-per-view or subscription basis. For example, Hulu is owned by the content oligopoly (and Comcast which is a hybrid content/distribution play). Hulu has direct customer relationships and billing. The fact that the congloms are trying to sell Hulu should tell you something; they still believe that there is a lot of life left in the MVPD model, which requires the consumer to subscribe to a big bundle of shows from all of the content producers. > Sorry, Craig, that's not how I see it at all. Many people, and here you're > saying you were one of them, seemed to be promoting the absolute reliance on > MVPD umbillicals. It seems rather obvious that the decision of how to make a > TV set "future proof" should be left up to the CE manufacturers. Rather than > being used as an excuse to favor one business model. The CE manufacturers > could use software updates and they could use replaceable modules. Ditto > today, with connected TV products. Yes Bert, we know how you see it via your unique "Windows Media" perspective. This should be compelling enough evidence that I am correct. The PC you had when HD broadcasts began was incapable of running the Media Center software you use today. The same is true for PCs that existed when most prime time programming became available in HD in the 2004-2005. All the new TV delivered with ATSC tuners are obsolete - entirely useless with respect to OTT streaming, and useless with respect to the next broadcast standard. In order to deliver Smart TVs, the CE industry is turning to tech from the PC industry that employs CPUs and GPUs to handle decoding, rather than dedicated MPEG-2 chips. The MOST future proof aspect of TVs today is the HDMI connector, which allows tens of millions of Roku and Apple TV boxes to deliver OTT video to the big screen. It even allows you to connect that PC with Media Center. Sometimes you are your own worst enemy in these discussions. > > I'm hardly the only person in the world that thinks that useless middleboxes > become a nuisance. Lots and lots of people hung onto the cable analog > channels just to be rid of STB reliance. One effect of having to depend on > proprietary STBs, for example, was to make time-shift recording too difficult > for the average joe. Oh, no problem, the MVPD will rent you that box too! You are correct; the main reason that cable is holding onto the analog tier is that this is how most old TVs get their signals. No need for a government cheese box that "may" be able to receive ATSC broadcasts; and you get access to the most of your favorite channels in the requisite extended basic bundle. And you are correct that most PVRs are rented by the MVPDs - part of the two-way services that they refused to let the CE companies offer until Panasonic signed a license for Tru-2-way. Now even Panasonic has given up on working with the cable industry. But none of this changes the obvious reality. Putting standard compliant tuners into TVs is a nice convenience… Until the standard becomes obsolete. On the other hand, a tiny little hockey puck box like Roku or Apple TV is cheap (<$100) and these boxes are being updated every year to add new features and services. >> Yes a few broadcasters started DTV broadcasts in 1997-98. > > I think only Fox was the only 480p holdout in those early years, for prime > time programming. The other networks went to HD prime time right at the > start. And gradually added daytime soaps and other programming to HD. All true, but your timeline is a bit optimistic. HD broadcasts were limited and scattered at best. The only stuff that was aired in HD in the early years were dramas already shot in film. The Tonight show was an early adopter (1999). The SuperBowl in 2000 was the first national HD sports broadcast. Soap operas were much later with the last one converting in 2011. The first year that most pre-produced prime time shows were delivered in HD was 2004, and this did not include news magazines, or reality shows. DBS started carrying HD in 2000; cable started in 2003. In 2006 HDTV penetration in U.S. homes reached the magic 7% inflection point; the following year sales increased 133% as 20% of U.S. homes had at least one HDTV. > I'm well aware of the fact that you were in denial of this fact back then. The facts say otherwise. Here's an interesting statistic that I wrote about often in those days (this was written in Feb. 2007): "Of the world's 48.2 million HD households, only 16.4 million have sets with an integrated HD tuner or a HD set top box. In other words, two out of every three have wasted the extra money they spent buying a HD set." I don't agree with the author, as nearly 100% of these TVs has a DVD player attached, delivering high quality wide screen movies. But HD broadcasts were certainly not a driving factor in the early years. Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.