[opendtv] Re: Let them eat cake (and ATSC while they're at it)
- From: "John Willkie" <JohnWillkie@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:41:05 -0700
So, do you smoke and drink while posting?
Let's recap; Ron -- not Bob -- said his spies -- not him -- said that the
MPEG-4 ENCODERS at NAB were buggy.
You -- sip, toke -- turned that into Ron saying that MPEG-4 decoders were
buggy, and you were on the way to a conspiracy theory.
I called you on, it, and now you've decided that it was Bob that you were
responding to.
I would suggest that you read and at least try to understand a post -- if
not the underlying subject -- before you attempt a reply.
John Willkie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Barry" <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:03 PM
Subject: [opendtv] Re: Let them eat cake (and ATSC while they're at it)
> John -
>
> I assumed, possibly incorrectly, that Bob was referring to
> MPEG4.10/AVC, simply because he has before and it makes sense.
> Maybe, maybe not.
>
> And I don't archive the whole list, only particularly interesting
> items where I've learned something.
>
> - Tom
>
> John Willkie wrote:
>
> > really? Ron was talking about AVC decoders? Either you or I were not
paying
> > attention: I remember him talking about AVC encoders.
> >
> > Now we know why you archive messages. To keep up with what you said.
> >
> > John Willkie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Barry" <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:24 PM
> > Subject: [opendtv] Re: Let them eat cake (and ATSC while they're at it)
> >
> >
> >
> >>Bob Miller wrote:
> >> > Maybe but a doubling of programming by using MPEG4 would help. The
> >> > combination is a killer.
> >>
> >>Yes, of course. I thought AVC or other advanced codec was always
> >>in their announced plan. And USDTV being local means they really
> >>don't have to worry as much about compatibility issues since they
> >>can start new technology first in new regions with new boxes.
> >>
> >>But as Ron pointed out earlier on this list, there may be problems
> >>with current new AVC silicon decoders. And there is certainly
> >>still a problem with current ATSC receivers from the USDTV standpoint.
> >>
> >>- Tom
> >>
> >>
> >>>Tom Barry wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Craig Birkmaier wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>At 11:50 PM -0400 5/16/05, Tom Barry wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>I think any backers would have had to buy into that same football
> >>>>>>liability. Meanwhile some of the Freeview success may have been
> >>>>>>due to the initial purchase price and terms.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>There is NOTHING difficult to understand here. It is being repeated
> >>>>>in the US bu USDTV.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>When offered a pared down multichannel service at a pared down price
> >>>>>the market is limited, as first you must find people who are willing
> >>>>>to pay, but not willing to pay a bit more for a service with more
> >>>>>content. In the case of OnDigital versus BSkyB, Sky was winning.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>When Freeview offered a pared down service for FREE, the dynamics
> >>>>>changed entirely.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>But the ABILITY to offer a not too badly pared down service for
> >>>>free may have depended somewhat on decreased startup costs in
> >>>>picking up the skeleton of OnDigital on good terms.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>USDTV is facing the same challenge, not to mention the ATSC reception
> >>>>>challenge. They are not competitive because they do not offer the
> >>>>>channels that many people want.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Actually I'll wager a six pack of beer that USDTV would become a
> >>>>success with their current price and offering if they just had
> >>>>Cold Fusion plug and play receivers.
> >>>>
> >>>>- Tom
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Regards
> >>>>>Craig
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>Maybe but a doubling of programming by using MPEG4 would help. The
> >>>combination is a killer. Has been IMO since 1999 when we were proposing
> >>>to use VP4 and COFDM. A decent receiver with a decent codec. It seemed
> >>>to be COFDM and VP4 then it is COFDM and MPEG4 or VP7 now. I would call
> >>>it a point of inflection. France may prove the point. They will use
> >>>MPEG4, COFDM and deliver HD in a subscription service. The only thing I
> >>>would change is the HD, I would deliver a mix of resolutions and insure
> >>>mobile reception. But France will be a good test.
> >>>
> >>>When we contacted Hisense immediately after Mark Aitken's informing us
> >>>of the promise of the 5th gen LG receiver and Hisense told us that they
> >>>could use the LG chip USDTV was in on a conference call and seemed
> >>>elated at the possibility witnessed by their press release a week or so
> >>>later that they would use Hisense 5th gen receivers.
> >>>
> >>>All since retracted I believe. They claim that the current receiver
will
> >>>support MPEG4. But they know how important a good receiver is, they are
> >>>living it.
> >>>
> >>>Bob Miller
> >>>
> >>>
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