[opendtv] Re: Comment on Mark's Memo
- From: "John Willkie" <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:17:13 -0800
So, why did Dermot use the terms "portable and mobile"? Are these distinct
terms in Europe, or was he just being redundant? (Sorry I remembered his
usage after posting the previous message.)
John Willkie
-----Original Message-----
From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Alan Roberts
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 1:40 AM
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Subject: [opendtv] Re: Comment on Mark's Memo
Europe isn't the US and Canada.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Willkie" <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:13 AM
Subject: [opendtv] Re: Comment on Mark's Memo
> In U.S. communications terminology, you've described portable, Alan.
Mobile
> means "being moved while in use."
>
> I'd be somewhat surprised if different terminology is used outside of the
> U.S., since the terminology is standardized from use in WARC and the like,
> so that "fixed and mobile" in the U.S. means the same in Canada.
>
> John Willkie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Alan Roberts
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 3:58 PM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: Comment on Mark's Memo
>
>
> In this context, mobile means not fixed. It means tv sets that are not
wired
> into a system, portables, small ones, bedroom sets, kitchen sets. Don't
get
> hung up on the idea that a mobile set *has* to be moving around all the
> time. It simply means a set not plugged into a distribution system, a set
> that gets its own signal from an aerial. And I think that describes over
90%
> of tv sets in the UK, not sure of continental figures.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Willkie" <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:18 PM
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: Comment on Mark's Memo
>
>
> > I would be VERY interested to see ANYTHING that supports your proffer
that
> > Berlin penetration was HELPED in ANY SENSE by mobile reception, because
I
> > believe that to entirely drawn from whole cloth.
> >
> > Where are these people watching mobile TV? Are they hoisting handheld
TVs
> > from the kitchen to the w.c. to not miss a moment of a ZDF offering?
Are
> > they watching TVs while taking trains into work? And, if the there is
so
> > much reception outside of the home in mobile environments, just how does
> the
> > limited coverage area affect that?
> >
> > Was there a large use of mobile analog TVs? Is this market entirely
new?
> > What are the superb video service offerings that these people
(apparently
> > without DVRs) watching live?
> >
> > I suspect you won't dare to respond, Dermot.
> >
> > John Willkie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of dmenolan
> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 3:09 AM
> > To: Open DTV list
> > Subject: [opendtv] Re: Comment on Mark's Memo
> >
> >
> > The last reported number in the summer is 4.5M DTT TVHH in the UK. The
cu=
> > rrent run-rate is 250k units a month which will ramp up pre-Xmas. There
a=
> > re 25.2M TVHH in the UK, ie at September penetration was 19%. Also its
on=
> > ly available in 75% of country: if nationwide that number would be
nearer=
> > 25%.
> > It is easily the highest in the world as Sept/Oct numbers are not in:
the=
> > general perspective is that 5.25M is doable by Xmas, that is 21%
penetra=
> > tion. Overall digital tv (DBS, cable, DTT) is around 55% which is the
hig=
> > hest in the world. The market has expanded dramatically: I was in a CE
su=
> > perstore on Saturday in the north of England where there were around
twen=
> > y different models ranging from =A339 )basic adapter) to =A3249 (twin
PVR=
> > box from Asian vendor.) The same store had a string of LCDs and plasmas
=
> > with DTT tuners.
> > I should also say that the performance in Germany is even more
impressive=
> > : in the places where DVB-T is available in Germany, Berlin and NRW
areas=
> > , the penetration is 10% WITHIN ONE YEAR. There is, of course, a reason
f=
> > or this: portable and mobile reception.
> > And there are also 1,000,000 DAB radios by Xmas 2004, but elsewhere
peopl=
> > e are looking to use DVB-H for radio as that is far more efficient power
=
> > and spectrally: eg in France they shut down the DAB experimental service
=
> > and France and Ireland probably use DVB-H for mobile handheld tv (MDTV
as=
> > I now like to call it)and digital radio too: it has much better power
c=
> > onsumption (talking about cellular batteries) than either DVB-T, DAB or
D=
> > MB. And, of course, you can use it in 5,6,7,8 Mhz RF channels.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > DN
> >
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> > =
> >
> > Date: 03/11/104 22:09 PM
> >
> > RE: [opendtv] Comment on Mark's Memo
> >
> > =
> >
> > - According to the International Herald Tribune, Finland has the
> > world's highest DTT penetration, 17%:
> > <http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/31/business/digitv01.html>
> >
> > Finland 2.4 million households, 400,000 receivers or 17%
> >
> > =46rom the article...
> > "While Finland leads Europe in DTT penetration, the biggest overall
marke=
> > t is Britain, where the Freeview platform has attracted 3.9 million
viewe=
> > rs."
> >
> > There are 21,660,475 households in England and Wales and they have sold
o=
> > ver 4 million receivers there (6 million by the end of this year). That
w=
> > ould be 18.5% penetration. (27.7% if you use 6 million)
> >
> > Bob Miller
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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