My hip shot is this is an Orange-crowned Warbler. It has a definite eye-stripe. There are several subspecies I hear mentioned regularly on this forum with a significant amount of gray in their plumage. I emphasize that it's a hip shot. I find warblers more intimidating than gulls. I've never considered myself much good at warblers, due to lack of practical experience. Lars OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx