Wayne et al., I tend to agree that it's hard to dismiss a bird on the basis of ship assistance. In essence a ship/boat is no different than a floating log that has drifted out to sea other than it is under power. A strong flyer like a Turtle-Dove could readily hopscotch across the ocean with a few timely rest stops on boats or floating debris. I offered up the example of Brown Booby in order to illustrate the murkiness in the definition of "ship assistance." It was not intended to cast doubt on the Oregon/Washington records of this species. If a Brown Booby appeared along the Willamette River in downtown Portland (there is a record of a dead Masked Booby from Government I. near the Portland Airport), I would presume that it took a boat ride to get there. Does that ship assistance make it uncountable? I will leave that to Shawneen and her cohorts to decide. Damn, Shawneen just reminded me that I am on the OBRC and I would have to deal with this scenario. CRAP! Sulids found along the outer coast, or in warm waters offshore, are best treated as naturally occurring unless there is strong evidence to suggest otherwise. At the time that Rare Birds of California was published (2007), there were 13 records of Brown Booby just from Southeast Farallon Island, so it is clear Brown Boobies are regular in nearby waters. Fun stuff to think about. Dave IronsPortland, OR From: whoffman@xxxxxxxx To: llsdirons@xxxxxxx; adrian.hinkle@xxxxxxxxx; obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; matthewghunter@xxxxxxxxx Subject: [obol] Re: Lookingglass Painted Bunting & Canary Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:34:38 -0700 Hi Dave – Good, rational comments. The American Birding Association (ABA) used to have criteria for defining ship assisted vagrancy. In a quick check of their website just now I did not find it. Back in the 1990s I had an extended dialog with ABA over a record we had of a European Turtle-Dove in the Florida Keys. The AOU Checklist accepted it and ABA considered it likely ship-assisted, hence rejected it. After a few more occurrences, ABA finally added the species to the Checklist about 5 years ago. This is a species that migrates between Europe and Africa, and often comes aboard ships in the Atlantic. As I remember it, the official policy was that ships were considered part of the modern environment, so ship assistance was considered a natural occurrence, unless the bird was captive or restrained. However, enough of the ABA Checklist Committee at that time did not like that policy to block adding birds to the checklist if there was any hint of ship assistance. By this rule, a Brown Booby that rode a ship part way here could still be considered a natural occurrence. (However if you look at the pattern of recent Brown Booby occurrence in northern California you should see lots of evidence for unassisted vagrancy). During this period I wrote an essay for ABA’s magazine Birding on what constitutes establishment of introduced birds, that as I recall also dealt with things like assisted vagrancy. The AOU and ABA Checklist Committees were mainly dealing with the list for the whole continent or area, respectively, but important questions remain at smaller scales, e.g. states. One of the points I made was that if an introduced bird becomes established in one state, but strays into another, it should be considered a countable occurrence. Thus, if a Himalayan Snowcock strayed from the Ruby Mts. Into SE Oregon, it should be considered a natural occurrence, because they are established in the Ruby Mts. Shawneen Finnegan likely knows a lot more about this, and about how ABA’s rules may have evolved. Wayne From: obol-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:obol-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Irons Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:35 AM To: adrian hinkle; OBOL Oregon Birders Online; matt hunter Subject: [obol] Re: Lookingglass Painted Bunting & Canary Greetings all, I concur with Adrian about the value of Rare Birds of California. It is a comprehensive summary of all the bird records reviewed by the California Bird Records Committee from the time it started (1970) until the book was published in 2007. In addition to the listing of records, there are many graphs, plus sketches and photos of rarities. Each account offers highly informative text that includes the status and general distribution of each species, discussion of subspecies, vagrancy patterns that have been identified and, when appropriate, concerns and thoughts about the origin of birds that may have been transported (by humans) somewhere along the way in their journey to California. These accounts also discuss the thinking of the committee members and the thought process behind some of the voting. At times and in the case of certain species (i.e. Crested Caracara) one might argue that the CBRC has been overly conservative in applying the "questionable origin" tag to species that occurred in California sans some prior track record of vagrancy that would predict occurrence in that state. It should be noted that Kristie Nelson and Peter Pyle recently published a paper, which reveals that as few as 11 individual birds may be responsible for the 60+ sightings of Crested Caracara in California. http://www.birdpop.org/DownloadDocuments/Nelson_and_Pyle_2013.pdf On the flip side of the provenance question coin, we Oregonians may be a bit quick to the trigger when it comes to accepting birds like the Lookingglass Painted Bunting as naturally occurring. There is every indication that the capture and trade of adult male Painted Buntings is thriving in both Florida and Mexico. In the Painting Bunting account in Rare Birds of California, Rob Hamilton–one of the books editors–is quoted as saying that male Painted Buntings are "by far the most common wild bird for sale in pet shops in northwestern Baja California" and Paul Sykes et al. (2006) report that illegal trapping of Painted Buntings is "widespread in southeastern Florida." The concerns of those who raise questions about the provenance of birds like this Painted Bunting in this forum are all too often dismissed out of hand by parties who can't possibly know which species of birds and how many individuals are being illegally transported into Oregon. It's a well-known fact that tar heroin and other illicit drugs are being transported into and through Oregon (in many cases from Mexico or farther south). How many of us have actually seen one of these shipments or knowingly witnessed drug traffickers at work. I know I haven't. In my view, it's not at all a reach to assume that many fauna (including live birds) are being illegally transported into and through our state. Of course we'd all like to believe that all of these rare birds are "countable" and naturally occurring, but let's step away from our emotional investment surrounding this issue and approach the discussion of these questions from a dispassionate perspective. As a member of the Oregon Bird Records Committee, I can tell you that at best we are making educated guesses when it comes to birds of questionable provenance. Further, where does the boundary between human assistance and the absence of human assistance lie? A good example might be Brown Booby. Oregon now has several records. Boobies often roost on the masts and decks of ships. Can we know that no legs of the journeys that brought these birds to Oregon involved a boat ride? And how much of a boat ride does it take to qualify as human assistance? On a more local level, I've had a recent experience that give me cause to wonder about some of the unusual waterfowl that turn up in the Willamette Valley. Last spring I found and photographed two Barnacle Goose X Cackling Goose hybrids at Jackson Bottoms Wetlands in Hillsboro. This is an odd and unexpected cross that I would not expect to find in Oregon. To my knowledge, the breeding ranges of these two species do not overlap. Imagine my surprise when fully two months later I saw the same two individuals in the barnyard of one of my customers who lives ese. of McMinnville (about 30 miles as the goose flies). This customer is an avid aviculturist and he has at various times had all sorts of geese on his property, including Snow Geese (both white and resident Blues), Ross' Goose (that just showed up), Lesser White-fronted Geese (a small flock that he had and then sold), Barnacle Geese (pure), Cackling Geese (mostly minima), Greater White-fronted Geese, plus various sizes and shapes of Canada Geese. He also has a bunch of exotic barnyard (non-native) geese. Needless to say, there is a lot of interbreeding happening. A couple weeks before the Barnacle Goose X Cackling Goose hybrids returned to his property I mentioned finding the two birds at Jackson Bottoms to my customer. He immediately claimed that he had two birds matching that description and that had disappeared a few weeks earlier. He went on to say that they had been consorting with a flock of wild Cacklers on his property before disappearing. Two weeks later, when I returned for my usual visit, he pointed across the driveway and said "look who's back." Indeed the two hybrids looked identical to the birds that I photographed at Jackson Bottoms weeks earlier. Who knows how many aviculturists there are in Oregon, but it is surely a much larger number than most of us appreciate. These folks buy and trade birds back and forth with some degree of frequency and many of the birds are not pinioned, thus they can fly freely. When it comes to provenance questions, I consider myself to be a hopeless fence straddler. I can see and appreciate the merits from both sides of this debate. There is always some level of plausibility to the notion that a particular species could fly here on its own. At the same time, transporting wild birds unlawfully is not something folks do in broad daylight. Like other criminal activities, there is much happening that we don't ever see, so it would be foolish to presume that there is no illegal bird trade happening in and around Oregon. Dave IronsPortland, OR Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:43:46 -0700 Subject: [obol] Re: Lookingglass Painted Bunting & Canary From: adrian.hinkle@xxxxxxxxx To: obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; matthewghunter@gmail.comMatt & others,I strongly encourage you to read the account of Painted Bunting in Rare Birds of California. I have the 2007 copy by Hamilton, Patten and Erickson; I'm not sure if the book has been revised recently. I didn't completely get through reading the Painted Bunting account, but I'm sure it has a lot of helpful information. It looks like CBRC ceased to review Painted Bunting records in 2004, but it has interesting comments on how they reviewed records prior to that, and graphs showing what records were accepted as wild vs. escapee. I could scan the account (it's several pages) if you don't have the book. Overall, Rare Birds of California is a great and under-appreciated resource for Oregon birders. Vagrant patterns in California often match those of Oregon.Sincerely,Adrian Hinkle