On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:18 AM, Brandon Green <brandon.green18@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Jeff, > > Your rationale regarding bare ground vs. elevation makes sense to me. > > My point was that cats are not likely a major reason as to why we don't see > that many juncos on the Valley floor at this time of the year. Summer juncos > are equally difficult to find in appropriate rural habitat (parks, > campgrounds, orchards, etc.) where invasive predators are a non-factor. > > -Brandon > Brando - that is all true. There must be habitat considerations though that affect this, rather than the elevation. Juncos are very common on the Long Beach Peninsula even though it is mostly only about 15 feet above sea level. They also are common nesters on Mt. Tabor in Portland, right down to where the residential area begins at its border. I don't know that cats are the only factor, but a ground nester would have a risky situation on a city block that has 15 resident predators that have a lot of time for recreational hunting. Jeff OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx