Greetings All, Larry McQueen is absolutely correct about the one catbird in Newport being a juvenile. Birds of North America Online describes the undertail coverts of juveniles as being buffy to pale rufous (clearly the case with one of the two birds in Marlowe Kissinger's photos), whereas after hatch-year birds have chestnut undertail coverts. I agree that the shape of the tips of the tail feathers (tapered and pointed) is also a good age indicator, along with the pale pink at the gape. It seems that there can be little doubt that Gray Catbirds nested behind the Hatfield Marine Science Center, providing the first breeding record for the Oregon Coast and, unless I've missed something, the first breeding record west of the Cascades. Great work by all who have been keeping track of these birds and taking the photos that have documented this exciting discovery. Dave Irons Portland, OR Subject: [obol] Re: Gray Catbird From: larmcqueen@xxxxxxx Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 10:22:43 -0700 CC: obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: rosebudgurl@xxxxxxx Marlowe and everyone, Has anyone noticed, or did I miss-read something? The first catbird looks like a juvenile to me: the rather loose, attenuated feathering and pink soft tissue at the mouth. And, the position of the adult by the bird looks like it is being fed. Compare also, the color of the undertail coverts in both birds, which is rather dull in the “young” one. Compare also, the rather juvy-like (unformed) feathers in these coverts with the sleek, bright feathering of the adult. It looks as if there are at least 3 catbirds. If this is correct, a record is set. Larry On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Marlowe Kissinger <rosebudgurl@xxxxxxx> wrote:Thank you all for your help. When I got to the area you all pointed out Wayne Hoffman was there and helped me find the birds. Saw both Catbirds. Thank you again, Made my day Marlowe Forgot how to add Pictures so hope I do this right http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx156/rosebudgurl/cat5_zps965bd804.jpg?t=1406392662 http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx156/rosebudgurl/cats3_zpsfc4821fa.jpg?t=1406392624 http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx156/rosebudgurl/cats2_zps155252be.jpg?t=1406392581