[ntnm] Re: feedback Re: Epub question and txt comment

  • From: "Huw Evans" <huw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 13:45:11 +0100

Thank you, Roz.

I accept what you say but I feel that I'm going on a bit of a mystery tour if I try reading through a newspaper by going through consecutive items and prefer being able to jump around with the help of a contents.

I therefore felt this sample involved taking a step backwards.

Huw.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roz Olver" <roz.olver@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:48 AM
Subject: [ntnm] Re: feedback Re: Epub question and txt comment


Hi Huw

I received the trial email yesterday and was able to read the file names of
the TEXT format offering as follows:-

1. The Sunday Times - Appointments
2. The Sunday Times - Business
3. The Sunday Times - Culture
4. The Sunday Times - Driving
5. The Sunday Times - Home
6. The Sunday Times - Magazine
7. The Sunday Times - Money
8. The Sunday Times - News Reviews
9. The Sunday Times - Sport
10. The Sunday Times - Style
11. The Sunday Times - TEXT
12. The Sunday Times - The Classic Pack
13. The Sunday Times - Travel

File 11, The Sunday Times - TEXT, actually says "The Sunday Times - All"
when I open it and I wonder if this is the file you are looking for?

I note the absence of a contents page, but each of the articles is preceded
by a series of "+" signs; +++ denoting the principal headings and ++ sub
headings.  I wonder whether this might help you to search through the file
as you would like.

Hope this is of some assistance.

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Huw Evans
Sent: 15 May 2014 10:07
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: feedback Re: Epub question and txt comment


My initial reaction to the sample email received on 12 May (Sunday Times
contents links in 13 separate files) is surprise that the files are not
labelled and that it should be necessary  to open them separately to
ascertain their subject matter.  I also wish to be able to search for
relevant items without having to read the whole contents and, to this end,
would wish (based on my very limited experience of IT), to have the whole
contents as a single item which could be copied into a Word document.  (I
append a copy of my message to ICT which has not been responded to).

Best wishes,

Huw Evans.



Appendix:

(copy message to ict)



Many thanks for the trial email which I have opened.  The files contain
contents links but I am unable to download the articles referred to. Does this mean that they are no longer available? If so, when did they cease to
be available?    I shall also be most grateful for any advice on the
following points -



The newspaper is presented in 13 separate files and I find it a very tedious
operation to open (and reopen)  each one separately to find out what it
contains. Would it be possible to provide more information within the list of 13 foles and/or, present the whole paper as one single file with a single
comprehensive contents section?



I find that I cannot copy the html version into a word document.  I would
prefer to be able to do thisas I then find it possible to insert bookmarks
and navigate using 'find','go' and so on. It may well be possible for me to
deal with a text version in this way and I am wondering wherher you intend
trialling one.



Best wishes,

Huw Evans.



Second feedback on 14 may:



I refer to the second trial pack received on 14 May and offer the following
comments by way of feedback:

I prefer the text version to Html because it can be copied into a document
which I can then search and bookmark.  However, the absence of a contents
section is a critically serious flaw making it practically impossible to
read a newspaper intelligently and  efficiently.  (Relevant comments have
been made in the ntnm users forum (q.v.): more can and will be said if
necessary!)

I would advocate having one informative searchable contents section covering the whole newspaper as top priority and also believe it is desirable to have
the newspaper itself presented as one item, rather than in 13 separate
pieces which are not even labelled.

Hoping this helps,

Best wishes,

Huw Evans.





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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Roche" <dan.roche@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 10:19 AM
Subject: [ntnm] Re: Epub question and txt comment


Hi Roz,  And everyone on list,

I use the html files and fine them to save if needed and find web site
easy
to use.

I know the contents page with links on is easy to use as I can tab around
as
well as arrow up and down and just click on article heading that I want to
read and it goes to the article but if I tab to next article,  it doesn't
tell you the heading until you arrow down a line so title headings on
articles would be good.

Does anyone know what format the e-mail's will be sent out inn?
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Roz Olver
Sent: 08 May 2014 09:35
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: Epub question and txt comment

Hi Ari

The ePub format is for use on iPhone and iPad and when opened in an app
called iBooks, produces a contents page of links (similar to the HTML
version) to access the various articles.

Hope that helps.

Roz

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 May 2014, at 09:19, Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi guys
I'm just curious, what's the use of Epub? What I mean is, my daisy
player does epub, so I tried a newspaper in that format. I don't know
if my player just doesn't, but you can't navigate in any way, I mean,
there are no levels, article brakes, nothing.
Another interesting thing is the .txt file. In the past, when the
files were in .doc, I renamed them .txt, put them on my player and
could actually navigate by article, because everytime there was a
page-brake the new article started. I'm aware this couldn't be done on
other players, even though they had page navigation it didn't go by
article, but with the booksense its page navigation did.
Now unfortunately if one wanted to use txt format it doesn't do that
anymore, so thank goodness for the html option.
Ari



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