[ncsc-moths] Re: [tn-moths] Re: Re: ID Help, Please ( Rhyacionia )
- From: "J. Merrill Lynch" <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:54:17 -0500
Thanks for sharing, Larry. From what I can tell from the literature,
Rhyacionia are pine specialists and only "hard" pines, not white pine. I
bet they are munching on your Virginia pines.
Merrill
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Larry McDaniel <larrycmcd@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> I live in northeast Tennessee at about 1600' elevation. We have Virginia
> and White Pines growing in or around our suburban yard.We also have Blue
> Spruce, Arbor Vitaes and an unknown (Canada Spruce?) evergreen. Who
> knows what else could be planted nearby. I've been photographing some
> Rhyacionia spp. (I think) the past few years. The dates of four are included
> here. All were at my porch light.
>
> 1 - 2/17/11
> 2 - 3/18/10
> 3 - 3/10/10
> 4 - 6/6/09
>
> Larry McDaniel
> Johnson City, TN
> Washington County
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:49:38 -0500
>
> Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: ID Help, Please ( Rhyacionia )
> From: jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx
>
> To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Ken,
>
> Loblolly Pine (Pinus taeda) is not native to TN except for perhaps the very
> southernmost areas along the Alabama and Mississippi border. I'm guessing
> your native pines are P. virginiana (Virginia or scrub pine) and P. echinata
> (shortleaf pine). However, loblolly is widely planted and could be in your
> area.
>
> Merrill
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:41 AM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Elevation here is about 500 feet and I'm assuming that must be ideal for
> loblolly pines. The state Tree Seedling Nursery is located a few miles from
> my farm.
>
>
> Ken Childs
> Henderson, TN
> Chester County
>
> http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>
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> *From:* Jean Obrist <innisfreehorses@xxxxxxxxxx>
>
> *To:* ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Sun, February 20, 2011 9:03:35 PM
>
> *Subject:* [ncsc-moths] Re: ID Help, Please ( Rhyacionia )
>
> According to All-Leps BOL, Rhyacionia busckana has been found near Cosby,
> TN (eastern mountains)
> Also, R. frustrana was in the same area of Cocke Co, TN and in middle AL.
> I have not seen them yet, but I am at a lower elevation with not as many
> pines.
>
> Jean Obrist
> Cocke Co, TN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* J. Merrill Lynch <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 20, 2011 9:28 PM
> *Subject:* [ncsc-moths] Re: ID Help, Please ( Rhyacionia )
>
> Paul, Harry, et al:
>
> I've looked at the key for Rhyacionia in my old copy of Forbes (1923),
> Lepidoptera of New York and Neighboring States. The determining mark for R.
> rigidana is a yellow band immediately in front of the terminal band at the
> distal end of the wing. All three photos at the bottom of the MPG page for
> rigidana show this yellow band-- see here:
> http://mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu/species.php?hodges=2868
> None of the photos of either your's or Harry's moths show this yellow
> band. So, on that basis I think we can rule out rigidana for both your
> moths. What bothers me is that your's and Harry's moths show brighter and
> more extensive red in the distal half of the forewing and do not match well
> with the photos of frustrana on MPG. However, based on what I've read in
> the forestry papers, those two species are sympatric across the range of
> loblolly pine in the southeast (and extend northward to New York and Mass
> presumably feeding on other pine species there) and are the likely species
> to encounter in eastern NC.
>
> The only way this mystery will be solved will be for you to collect one and
> send it off for bar-coding. I'll be interested in hearing the results.
>
> Merrill
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Paul <pandlscharf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Let me add to the confusion . Last year 3/15/10, I photographed #1 and
> have it identified as R. rigidana ( Can't remember if I identified it
> through Bugguide or not , but the ID is not positive via speciman ) For the
> last two nights I've been getting several of what might be the same species
> # 2 . Based on Merill's research it's more likely to be R. rigidana.
> However in my initial study of these two photos I'm not even sure they're
> the same species . Paul
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Merrill Lynch
> Echo Valley Farm
> Watauga County, NC
> Elevation: 3,400 feet
>
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>
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>
> --
> J. Merrill Lynch
> Echo Valley Farm
> Watauga County, NC
> Elevation: 3,400 feet
>
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J. Merrill Lynch
Echo Valley Farm
Watauga County, NC
Elevation: 3,400 feet
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