I went through my old pics of palliatricula and I have some likely candidates for sensilis. Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths http://www.finishflagfarms.com ________________________________ From: kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> To: "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [ncsc-moths] Re: Chytonix troubles (again) Kyle, The issue is still cloudy, at least to me. My moth has marks for both species but I think that since the PM line is strongly toothed, it likely palliatricula. Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths http://www.finishflagfarms.com ________________________________ From: Kyle Kittelberger <kkturtledude@xxxxxxxxx> To: "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:41 AM Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Chytonix troubles (again) Thanks Ken for the info! I guess that would make both of mine C. palliatricula, even for the worn one. And maybe the one you posted a pic of is sensilis? Kyle From: kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> To: "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:23 AM Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Chytonix troubles (again) Here's info from Hugh that was posted in the FB group. For Chytonix palliatricula "the orbicular is large, the pm line is toothed, the white spot is long, and there are not extensive reddish tones on the FW." Of course the first Chytonix sp. I see after getting this info has large orbicular spots, tiny white spots, reddish tones on the FW and a toothed PM line. Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths http://www.finishflagfarms.com From: kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> To: "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [ncsc-moths] Re: Chytonix troubles (again) Kyle, I don't have a clue how to tell the 2 species apart. Chytonix palliatricula is variable and the few pics labeled as sensilis fit right into the mix of what I'd call palliatricula. I'm wondering how those ID's were made. IMHO, the first one you posted is too worn to be called anything but a Chytonix sp. Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths http://www.finishflagfarms.com From: Kyle Kittelberger <kkturtledude@xxxxxxxxx> To: "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:31 PM Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Chytonix troubles (again) Thanks Harry! Would that be just this moth that you are referring to, or my other one? And any idea on how to tell the two Chytonix apart? I think that for C. sensilis, the dark curved line (forgetting the name now) from the side of the wing touches the reniform spot, whereas for C. palliatricula, the line doesn't touch the reniform spot; however, I can't find this anywhere. I know that C. palliatricula has that form with white patches. Kyle From: Harry Wilson <wilson.harry.e@xxxxxxxxx> To: NC Moths <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:09 PM Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Chytonix troubles (again) Kyle, Your moth looks to me like a good match for the southern dark form of C. palliatricula in the Peterson Guide. Harry On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Kyle Kittelberger <kkturtledude@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hey everyone, > >I have another Chytonix sp. that I am hoping I could get some opinions on. >Unlike the last one that I thought might have been Chytonix sensilis, 9557, I >believe this might be C. palliatricula, 9556. Any thoughts? Unfortunately I >can't find anywhere that states how to differentiate between the two species. >Any help, either on this moth or the other Chytonix would be greatly >appreciated. > >Thanks, >Kyle > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/hawk-eagle/9171020632/in/photostream -- Harry Wilson Zebulon, NC