[ncsc-moths] Re: 21 species for Dec- need help with unidentified
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- Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:57:04 -0500
Another species that I often see with wings up is Costaconvexa centrostrigaria,
Bent-line Carpet. They were pretty numerous this year, and showed up on many
dates.
Jean Obrist
From: Doug Allen
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:45 PM
To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: 21 species for Dec- need help with unidentified
Ken,
I'm exploring your Moths of Finish Flag Farms, and it's giving me another
moth database that I'm finding it helpful. Great photography! First, you're
geographically close enough that it probably shows a much higher per centage of
the moths that occur here compared to MPG. Also I've already found a couple of
your photographs that are more helpful than MPG and BG. One example. I think
my "wings up" Sallow was misidentified. There were no pictures of it in that
position on MPG and BG, but your image 4642 closely corresponds to my picture,
and I have corrected the identification. Do you agree?
I also have a photograph that very closely resembles your wings up Lesser
Grapevine Looper Moth which I hadn't previously identified since MPG and BG
don't show the wings up position and also suggests the difficulty of separating
them.
The numbers of your unidentified moths is humbling. It's probably taken me an
average of an hour to identify (I hope) each of my some 200 moth species from
thousands of photographs of I don't know how many species. As I become more
familiar with the families, the time goes down just a little, but all those
unidentified species I have... Once upon a time I would visit libraries
thinking I really needed to read all those books, and I was emotionally
overwhelmed by the task. That's how I sometimes feel now!
Last night it stayed above 50 degrees until I went to bed. About 7 species of
moths visited the black lights including at least eight 6258– Alsophila
pometaria– Fall Cankerworm Moths at one time. I think I had two new species
for December, numbers 21 and 22, if I can identify them.
Doug Allen Windmill Hill SC
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Doug Allen <dougk4ly@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ken,
Interesting on the Vetch Looper. And I checked out 2281 and agree. Thank
you. I'll be sending the Dec batch for inclusion in the SC Moth database at the
end of the month.
Still looking for that 21st species!
I've enjoyed looking at your unidentified Gelechioidea and have comments and
a couple of my pictures that relate to one of your unidentified species, but
I'll defer that for another email. Out high today is supposed to be 60 and
low tonight about 48 so I'll put out the black lights.
I just sent John Snyder the following batch of October moth species. I'm
pretty confident with all, but maybe 1 or 2. I'm working on a 3rd October
batch. Here's the OCT#2-
https://picasaweb.google.com/114446304105523815248/OCTOBER2?authkey=Gv1sRgCKjdmYTlmryTQw#
I guess we get pretty much the same moths where you are and here. I'm close
to extensive woods/forest, an organic farm, and fields. It seems that most of
the posters on the ncsc-moths are in Tennessee! I'll eventually try and get on
the Facebook webpage, but I have too many irons in the fire right now.
When I was young, I learned my eastern birds and bird songs fairly quickly.
Now I'm pretty deaf and don't hear many of the bird songs and am a slow learner
with moths!
Doug Allen Windmill Hill, SC
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:22 AM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Doug,
There's a dark form of Vetch Looper that shows here early and late in the
season that doesn't seem to be very well documented. When I first started
mothing, it fooled me too. It's usually the most common form I see until mid
March when lighter ones start showing up. Then in late September I'll start
seeing them again.
The main reason I don't think your moth is 1422 Homaledra sabalella is the
placement of the spots in relation to the centerline. On Homaledra sabalella,
the top spot is closer to the center than the lower spot. It's reversed on your
moth. I can't say for sure what it is but 2281 Dichomeris ligulella, Palmerworm
Moth looks like a possibility and is a common moth. Maybe someone else will be
better able to help with this one.
Not being able to ID the members of Gelechioidea you see is a common enough
problem. Most of us that have been doing this for awhile have folders full of
unidentified Gelechioids. Many species aren't pictured on MPG and new species
are being described all the time. I still have more to add but here's my album
of unidentifieds.
https://picasaweb.google.com/107941137732251962394/UnidentifiedGelechioidea?authuser=0&feat=directlink
Ken Childs
Henderson, TN
Chester County
http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths
http://www.finishflagfarms.com
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From: Doug Allen <dougk4ly@xxxxxxxxx>
To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:21 AM
Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: 21 species for Dec- need help with unidentified
Thanks Ken,
The Vetch Looper was a real learning experience. I glanced at it
several times in MPG and BG trying to find some close relative with that gray
color, but none of the pictures were even close. Of course, now when I look at
the specific field marks, they're all there.
Have you looked at the one labeled 1422. There is only one Palmetto tree
within a mile of here! I couldn't find anything else that resembled my picture.
The Wedgling mistake was a dumb one. It's a mirror image of the picture
correctly identified above it. Wedgling has been the most common moth seen
this month. I was trying too hard for that 21st species of the month to pass
Richmond County's 20 species for the month of December. The games people play!
I do have a couple of unsatisfactory pictures of a 21st and 22nd species that
I'll investigate.
Doug Allen Windmill Hill, 8 miles south of the NC border and 12 miles from
the SC mountains
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:51 PM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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