Have you tried using the paste function wizard? (looks like an fx on your toolbar)....this explains ALL of the functions in Excel and basically just lets you fill in the boxes and creates the formula for you And I'm not sure what you mean when you say "don't even bring up the ifs".....if what? So...you don't see Excel's functions as English but you DO see VBA as English? Dang Katherine, we sure are speaking different versions of English then LOL Linda F. Johnson, M.A., MOS Linda's Computer Stop www.personal-computer-tutor.com E-Books, Online Classes, free ABC ezine and lotsa other free stuff -----Original Message----- From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine Driskell Felts Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 10:55 AM To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mso] Re: Excel vs Access vs Word...a FRIENDLY discussion (wasDian please AND OTHERS) Yeah, but other than pushing the sum button on the toolbar, there is very little you can do in Excel without speaking a very code-similar math--at least for this creative wordsmith. AVG ($B$6, E6), don't even bring up the ifs... I was trying to put together a time-tracking sheet on Excel and spent a good half a day, got help from two people on this forum, and it was like 3 tries before I didn't have a sheet full of #Value!. I ain't dumb (though I'm starting to wonder...) but the help file made no sense to me. So, who can I bill for that time on the time-tracking sheet?!? Excel is powerful, but you have to speak a different language, and it ain't English... -- Katherine Driskell Felts ************************************************************* You are receiving this mail because you subscribed to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or MicrosoftOffice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To send mail to the group, simply address it to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To Unsubscribe from this group, send an email to mso-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the subject line. Or, visit the group's homepage and use the dropdown menu. This will also allow you to change your email settings to digest or vacation (no mail). //www.freelists.org/webpage/mso To be able to use the files section for sharing files with the group, send a request to mso-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and you will be sent an invitation with instructions. Once you are a member of the files group, you can go here to upload/download files: http://www.smartgroups.com/vault/msofiles *************************************************************