<g> Nothing if the conditions of the following points have been properly met: 1. Do you really need to use a database? Prove it. 2. Are you using the database as a container or do you intend to analyze the contents of the container? 3. Are you following manufacturer guidelines in choosing your DB host? 4. Data structures live forever. Does that scare you? Why (not)? 5. By extension, data stored in a data structure lives forever. Does that scare you? Why (not)? 6. Can you define when this database solution will be replaced/retired? 7. If you're hit by a bus, what happens to the database, or worse, the data? 8. Am I in your database? Do I really need to be? 9. If you get hit by a bus and you answered all the previous in such a way as to justify a database and analysis tools, why shouldn't item 8 scare the hell out of me? 10. If it can be done efficiently in text, why are you using a database? 11. It's not XML data, is it? That ought to be enough.<g> An excellent example of a lousy database with poor security, support and efficiency is the Lotus Notes mail database system. But an excellent example of a proper need for a database is Lotus Notes. See how this works? An excellent example of a database tool is Access. An excellent example of a poor database is an Access database hosted on a server for high concurrency load without the use of a Transactional interface. An excellent example of a bad database design is to use Oracle on a web server to collect and store the data from a Comments page on the site. An excellent example of a database that is too dangerous to contemplate is one with untracked privileges and stored procedures for which auditing can't be performed...and it has my social security number in it. Which will die sooner; me or my SSN? What's the best way to get illicit access to my SSN? Through a heavy database somewhere with average management to monitor it. Sure, I love databases and what people do with them, drunk or sober!!<g> Greg Chapman http://www.mousetrax.com "Counting in binary is as easy as 01, 10, 11! With thinking this clear, is coding really a good idea?" > -----Original Message----- > From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of James LaBorde > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:35 PM > To: 'mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > Subject: [mso] Re: Dian won't be around much either :VSMail MX3 > > > > Greg, > > And just what do you have against databases?<beg> > > James > ************************************************************* You are receiving this mail because you subscribed to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or MicrosoftOffice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To send mail to the group, simply address it to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To Unsubscribe from this group, send an email to mso-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=unsubscribe Or, visit the group's homepage and use the dropdown menu. This will also allow you to change your email settings to digest or vacation (no mail). //www.freelists.org/webpage/mso To be able to use the files section for sharing files with the group, send a request to mso-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and you will be sent an invitation with instructions. Once you are a member of the files group, you can go here to upload/download files: http://www.smartgroups.com/vault/msofiles *************************************************************