[modeleng] Re: Mica?

  • From: Allen Messer <al_messer@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:28:07 -0700 (PDT)

Hey, Len!  I think that you and I were born in the
same time period---pre WWII.  Our Living Room stove
also had Mica windows.


Al Messer

-- Len Smith <parnobal2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Being of a certain age, I can remember mica used as
> the "window" in black iron coke stoves. I've seen it
> overheated quite often, which was common in that
> application. It only ever went to whitish ash in my
> experience. I've seen plenty of burned out clothes
> irons too, and never seen anything that was pink,
> only blackened crusting.
> Len Smith
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Roger Mason 
>   To: Model Engineering List - Latest 
>   Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 8:41 AM
>   Subject: [modeleng] Mica?
> 
>   Hi All,
> 
>       I've just had a disaster!
> 
>       I have a large electric soldering iron (300
> watts).   I was using 
>   this the other day when a sort of Frying noise
> came from it.   Shortly 
>   afterwards I realised that it was cooling down, 
> despite still being 
>   plugged in and turned on.   I quickly discovered
> that the element was 
>   open circuit.
> 
>       So in the "nothing ventured - nothing gained"
> spirit I opened up the 
>   iron.   I eventually found the secret to getting
> inside it and found the 
>   element very easy to get to. 
> 
>       The element was a simple coil of heater wire
> insulated in sheets of 
>   translucent material which I assumed was mica.  
> However as I delved 
>   deeper into the element the sheets of mica became
> "welded" together.   
>   It appears that the element produced a 'hot-spot'.
>   In this region the 
>   mica has changed in appearance and texture.  
> Instead of being sheet 
>   material with a slippery feel,  it was a pink
> brittle uniform 
>   substance,  which looked for all the world like
> the pink plaster one 
>   uses on walls of a room.   I carefully chipped
> this away and came to a 
>   hollow lump of what looked like a black glassy
> substance - very like 
>   silver solder flux which has melted and
> solidified.    I presumed this 
>   is where the frying came from - a little arc
> between the element and an 
>   end wire.
> 
>       My questions are - was this insulation
> material really mica?   Does 
>   mica behave in this way?   If it was not mica what
> was it?   Have the 
>   chemists come up with a modern alternative for
> natural mica?
> 
>       In the meantime I am trying to find a source
> for a new element.   
>   The iron was made by Goot,  a Japanese company who
> have a web site,  so 
>   I have asked if they have a U.K. dealer who can
> supply me - but maybe 
>   someone on this list has this knowledge.
> 
>       I look forward to the list's input on this
> topic.
> 
> 
>          Cheers,
> 
> 
>             Roger Mason,  in St. Agnes.
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