Hi Ron, I have a 5" Sweet Pea. It is an easy loco to maintain, fire, drive and will pull 3 adults and 4 kids up a 1 in 90 bank. I use mine for kids birthdays parties at my club track and will keep going very well. The loco is not too heavy, although it takes two to lift it, it's not difficultto store, all the waggly bits, (motion), are on the outside and therefore makes for easy maintenance. I think this loco is an ideal first time engine with all the castings etc, readilly available from Blackgates Engineering along with advice. I have posted a pic on of mine on the modeleng images board. It all comes down to personal taste, what Alan says about the weights etc is true, remember, you will have to store a loco, unloading it at home as well as your club etc. You wil also have to maintain it, maybe turning it over to get to the underneath, so think about space. Good luck with your project, Dave. Sweet Pea and its derivatives are also worth considering. Some people say that the marine-type boiler is easier to make than the conventional boiler. Whichever loco you choose, make sure that it is one that YOU like. That will help maintain the enthusiasm when problems occur. I am sure that other list members will have their own views. Good luck. alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.alanstepney.info Model Engineering, Steam Engine, and Railway technical pages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald" <Ron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Beginners loco`s Nothing to do with VOHC`s What is the ideal gauge for passenger carrying? and what is the best loco. in the appropriate gauge R.G.S.B.(Ron) MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.