Thanks for this info Craig, this is very much appreciated. BTW when your refer to 15" gauge, what kind of things (Romney, Ravenglass, or are we talking more 1 foot 3 inch narrow gauge Spence type locomotives)? Yours, Rich. On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Craig Gluyas wrote: > Hi Rich > > The first page of the Milner drawings has about 5 pictorial variants on > showing various types the drawings can be used to build! The wheelbase of > the Milner is definitely 16" though, which would scale to 4'. > > What you tend to find is that people change the cosmetic bits of the design > to match which design they want, whilst leaving the chassis details the > same. The most common is adding a centre dome and moving the safety valves, > similar to some of the locos on the Llanberis Railway. > > I must say here I don't profess to know anything much about the Hunslet > locos! Now if they had done a 15" gauge one.... > > Regards > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of R.L. Roebuck > Sent: 26 July 2009 00:58 > To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [modeleng] Re: 0-4-0 Hunslet drawings (Milner) > > On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Craig Gluyas wrote: >> Hi Rich, >> The Milner hunslet is the longer version, scaling to a 4' wheelbase (16" >> on 7¼). It works out about 48" long. > > Hi there Craig, > > Thanks for your message. > > I'm somewhat confused though. > > According to this page... > > http://www.stationroadsteam.co.uk/stock%20pages/3455/index.htm > > ...the Milner Hunslet being talked about is "Alice" class, which according > to the book I have here was the smaller 3 foot 3" whwwelbase in real life. > > Also according to this page... > > https://vault1.secured-url.com/reeves2000/shop_item.asp?sub_cat_id6&page=4 > > ...the Milner design is offered with a standard "Holy War" cast nameplate > - with "Holy War" definitely being an "Alice" class hunslet in real life > (Hunslet works number 779, built in 1902). > > Do the Milner drawings offer variants on wheelbase, and other details > perhaps? > > Scaling from the Station Road Steam pictures, the wheelbase looks an awful > lot nearer to 13 inches than 16 inches though the perspective could be > affecting my judgment (also overall length should be (13+(10/12))*4U.3", > whereas 48" only corresponds to 12 foot in full size, almost 2 foot too > short). > > Also all the Milner Hunslets I've seen seem to have a proportion of the > cyliner casting protruding above the running boards, which is a trait of > the Alice and several other classes (Dinorwic Port class, Penrhyn Small > Quarry class), but not the Penrhyn Port class or the Penrhyn Large Quarry > class. > > Compare Milner Hunslet... > > http://www.stationroadsteam.co.uk/stock%20pages/3455/pages/3455-f.htm > > ...to Penrhyn Port Class Hunslet... > > http://www.quarryhunslet.mste.co.uk/public/Gwynedd.php > > What do you reckon - am I missing something? > > Yours, > > > Rich. > >> >> Regards >> >> Craig >> >>> Hi there Peter, >>> >>> Thanks for the offer. I wonder though whether this slightly highlights my >>> problem. >>> >>> The loco you refer to at Bredgar is... >>> >>> http://www.bwlr.co.uk/locos.php?flag=lj >>> >>> ...which is the Dinorowic version of the Port class, which has something >>> like a 3 foot 3" wheelbase in real life. >>> >>> Whereas the Penrhyn Port class was a different beast, with a 4 foot >>> wheelbase and a dropped footplate, not to mention lower corners of the >>> buffer beam rounded off with a very large radii, see... >>> >>> http://www.quarryhunslet.mste.co.uk/public/Winifred.php >>> >>> (though one shouldn't attribute too much to the lack of a cab as they > were >>> semi-easily-detachable.) >>> >>> I may be wrong here, but I think the Port designation refers to the wheel >>> diameter and cylinder sizing, relating to tractive effort, not to a >>> particular design. In the same way that Estate cars tend to be more >>> powerful that a Sub-sub-compact (to use the American designation). >>> >>> I don't suppose the Milner drawings cater for this longer version? >>> >>> Yours, >>> >>> >>> Rich. >>> >>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, peter wrote: >>> >>>> Rich, >>>> >>>> Happy to. I am building a Port class Hunslet in 7.25" (1/3 scale). The >>>> frames are laid and the boiler complete. I have a complete set of >>>> drawings, they are by Roger Marsh. I live in Trowbridge and happy to >>>> entertain visitors. >>>> >>>> There is a Port Class at the Bredgar and Wormshill Railway, I was made >>>> to >>>> feel very welcome and allowed to crawl all over and under to take >>>> pictures >>>> and measurements. >>>> >>>> I would give more details, but I am over 3000 miles away from my >>>> drawings >>>> in Beijing although I fly back today (its 06:55 here). >>>> >>>> e-mail me on peter AT puffernutter DOT co DOT uk and we'll see the best >>>> way >>>> of communicating. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:27:11 +0100 (BST), "R.L. Roebuck" >>>> <rlr20@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> Hi there All, >>>>> >>>>> I've a few observations and questions which I thought I'd throw out >>>>> there >>>> >>>>> to the group incase they drummed up any interesting conversation. >>>>> >>>>> 1) Whilst surfing the interweb last evening, I came across the >>>>> following >>>>> site detailing the construction of a Lynton and Barnstaple 2-6-2 in >>>>> 7.25" gauge... >>>>> >>>>> http://www.mizensrailway.co.uk/Images/Loco/Locos/Davids%20Loco.htm >>>>> >>>>> ...this looks like quite an impressive beast, but I was a bit taken >>>>> aback >>>> >>>>> by the frame thickness of 20mm. Is this kind of thing the norm for >>>>> Milner >>>> >>>>> locomotive designs? >>>>> >>>>> 2) The thing I was actually looking for was drawings for some of the 4 >>>>> foot wheelbase Hunslet quarry locomotives formerly of North Wales. I've >>>>> got hold of the book which is the respected source on the subject as >>>>> talked about by this page... >>>>> >>>>> http://www.quarryhunslet.mste.co.uk/public/intro.php >>>>> >>>>> ...but only the drawings smaller and larger hunslets are detailed in >>>>> the >>>>> book, whereas the drawings for all but the smallest of the Penrhyn >>>>> locomotives are missing. Does anyone have any ideas where drawings can >>>>> be >>>> >>>>> obtained from for the Penrhyn 'Large Quarry' and/or the Penrhyn 'Port' >>>>> class hunslets? Ie... >>>>> >>>>> http://www.quarryhunslet.mste.co.uk/public/Bill_Harvey.php >>>>> http://www.quarryhunslet.mste.co.uk/public/Winifred.php >>>>> >>>>> ...to me they just have the edge over the other variants which seem to >>>>> be more commonly modelled. >>>>> >>>>> 3) In looking through a book detailing full size boiler construction, >>>>> it >>>>> looks like it was common place to construct a subassembly of inner and >>>>> outer firebox all on one piece with backhead the throatplate fitted. >>>>> Then >>>> >>>>> as the final stages of assembly the boiler barrel, front tubeplate and >>>>> tubes would be added. Why do we not do this in miniature? Am I missing >>>>> something here - as we end up having a much larger mass of copper hot >>>>> for >>>> >>>>> the fitting of all the stays, all the backhead bushes, foudation ring >>>> etc, >>>>> whereas with the full size method they keep the size of the 'beast' >>>>> down >>>>> for all the fiddly bits, right up till the end of the job? >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, is there's anyone out there who fancies a bit of a chat on any >>>>> of >>>> >>>>> the above subjects? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yours, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rich. >>>>> MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. >>>>> >>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, >>>>> modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the >>>>> subject >>>>> line. >>>> >>>> MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. >>>> >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, >>>> modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the >>>> subject line. >>>> >>> MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. >>> >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, >>> modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject >>> line. >>> >> >> >> MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, >> modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject > line. >> > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject > line. > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.29/2261 - Release Date: 07/25/09 > 05:58:00 > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject > line. > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. 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