Yep, I really like both of those - especially the first! For me, the key to photographing birds with a lot of black AND white is to catch them in "good" light where there is less contrast between the whites & blacks. If the light is too bright, then you'll lose detail in either the whites or the blacks (usually). Sometimes you can process the same image for the blacks AND then again for the whites & merge the two to retain more details in the blacks AND whites (kind of a manual HDR). Gulls on the beach/parking lot (in air, on water, on sand, and on asphalt) are good practice for me. Another toughie for me are coots - getting detail in the feathers and on that ivory beak can be real tough! Robert Smith 336-339-3497 rsmithent@xxxxxxx www.photobiologist.com CC: missbirdphotos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx From: dr_frank_hensley@xxxxxxxxx Subject: [missbirdphotos] Re: Black necked stilt Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 21:32:54 -0500 To: missbirdphotos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Nice work Larry! Thanks for sharing! On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Larry Pace <larrypace64@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: <IMG_2523_2.jpg> IMG_2523 <IMG_2527_2.jpg> IMG_2527 Stilts have been showing up all over Bolivar county in flooded rice fields. This bird allowed me close enough to get a few fairly decent shots, but only after buckets of sweat and a lot of wear and tear on the transmission in my vehicle. A lot of backing up and pulling up to keep the light in front of the bird. If any of you could pass on some tips regarding exposure of black and white subjects, I would appreciate the info. LP