they normally stay in the doc. You must go into system prefs and start app trap before use; i had this problem as well. ash Check out my website: http://www.ashleycox.co.uk/ And the AC tech podcast: http://www.bavis.co.uk/theactechpodcast/ ----- Original Message ----- From: william To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:19 AM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: completely remove programs hello again, I just descovered that the items in the dock about microsoft office are still there. Perhaps I have done something wrong while removing microsoft office with apptrap? I think, all files are selected by default to remove? I have now removed all the items in the trash and the elements of microsoft office (for the mac), are stil there. <Is this normal? best regards, William Op 13-mrt-2010, om 10:36 heeft Ron J. het volgende geschreven: Hi William, If you're looking for a free app-deleting program which works with VO, check out a preference pane called Apptrap. Just go to www.versiontracker.com and do a search for it. The pane is easy to install, and when you go into your applications folder and tell OS X to delete one, a dialog will pop up, telling you you're about to delete an application, plus you get a listing of the associated files, and the option to immediately move them, along with the app itself, to the trash. The app seems to work well with VO, and, as far as I can tell, it appears to be accurate in what it deletes. HTH? Best Regards, Ron J. (Skype Name: Ganahee) On Mar 12, 2010, at 4:44 PM, William Windels wrote: Hi all, When you put them simply in the trash, a lot of corresponding files are left on the system. So, It seems not so simple and fast to delete some programs completely. Sometimes there are still some .plist-files or other files/folders left on the hd. I found a program to delete programs completely named appzapper. Has enybody experiences with this program about functionality and/or accessibility with vo? Also , this is not frre. Any hints are very welcome, best regards, William > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.com Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover Ron J. | AKA: Ganahee Check out my blog at: http://ganahee.wordpress.com "For millions of years, mankind lived, just like the animals. Then something happened, which unleashed the power of our imagination - we learned to talk." From the MD "The Division Bell", the track "Keep Talking". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2745 - Release Date: 03/13/10 21:51:00