So I have my GarageBand scripts/macros for VoiceOver and VoxKeys (see www.bryansmart.com if you want them). However, I still haven't figured out good ways of accomplishing many things in GarageBand. When I try to build a song entirely out of loops, it is a massive mess. Even though VoiceOver claims that a clip/loop is selected, it isn't, and so cut/copy/paste won't work. I have cursor tracking on, but pressing VO-shift-space to select doesn't actually select the clip with focus. Instead, I must route the VO cursor to the keyboard cursor with VO-Command-Shift-F5, then click. This works, most of the time, but is a horrible mess. Maybe I'll make a macro to do this if no one has a better idea. Arranging is terrible. Suppose that you make an 8 bar intro by using 2 loops of 2 bars each, in the pattern a b a b. That means that your intro consists of 4 loops. Sighted users have no problem managing this. If they wish to repeat the intro later, they have only to display the arrange track, where they can mark off sections of the song as chorus, verse, etc, and can cut/copy/paste that way. We can't. As far as I can tell, the arrange track is totally invisible to VoiceOver. My first impulse for a workaround is to try to join the four loops together in to a new loop. So, I'd combine those 4 2 bar loops in to a single 8 bar loop that I'd call "intro guitar" or something similar. Due to VoiceOvers screwed up selection support, though, selecting multiple items for joining is broken. Selecting anything with VoiceOver doesn't work. I have macros in VoxKeys for clicking the mouse with modifiers. Using those, I can turn off VO cursor tracking, route the mouse cursor to the VO cursor's position with VO-Command-Shift-F5, then press VX-space followed by shift-space to shift click each of the clips. This should be like a sighted person performing a shift-click on each of the 4 clips. VoiceOver reports that they're all selected, but the join clips option in the Edit menu is still grayed out. The only remaining option is to repeatedly paste each of these 4 clips, over and over, to fill out the entire structure of the song. No way that I'll ever waste my time doing anything like that for a song. It would take hours and hours to get a basic song structure together, and I'd only have completed a single track. Anyone have ideas? VO support in GB has come a long way, but I still use Sonar for anything that matters. I could copy and paste this crap out with Sonar in only 1 or 2 minutes. In GB, I'd be slugging it out for hours. By that point, I no longer give a crap about the song idea, and am ready to do other things. Bryan > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >