disconnect both from the cloud, delete what you want, sync them, rejoin the cloud after making sure they are backed up which should happen to the device at the beginning of sync. On Jan 26, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Doug Leavens <df.leavens@xxxxxxx> wrote: How do I permanently delete "songs" from my music table, the therefore from my macbook? The stuff I want to delete is also on my iPhone. I think iCloud is to blame! I had about 40 of 66 files I deleted manually, but they all showed up again. Please help!!!************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx