Let me try again "I'm, like Krugmann, in theory inviolably biassed towards immigration. But rather than say "**** off I'm pro-immigration" I acknowledge such facts as anti-immigrant persons proffer and (attempt to) counter their fictions." have you got it now? (I think it would help if you looked up "spin") Judy Evans, Cardiff ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html