I am skeptical re this:"The Swedes are reputedly considering legislation to regulate a man's excretory posture.)" I am a great fan of e-books. My only complaint with them is that I can't read maps, genealogical tables and such. So I do that on the computer. Being able to read inexpensively is only part of the question. The other ibis what people are reading. I have not read a book recommended by a friend in years, except here and there some nut case lady detective hero. I disagree with your comment re over regulation by government. For starters, I would regulate every bank operating in Europe and North America. As things now stand, many of them are still too big to fail, that is, will need tax payer bail out sometime in the future. Re education availability on line is a wonderful thing. Unfortunately, education ought to include ethics and I don't see that except as an academic endeavor, not as a way of life for millions of us. And many who viewed hier education as a path to a job is probably not going to avail himself of on line courses from great universities. More sad news today re civilization: All CA state parks but one will be shut down. The exception is being paid for by a millionaire. Re population, I don't worry about decline in numbers. I worry more about breeding ourselves off the planet if not by eating everything but running out of water. The Muslims will make up for population decline among European and North Americans of European stock. That is a worry for Christians. I only care about extreme moral rules by any religion, especially as they fall on women. And the inclination of religions to intrude themselves into the political process to push their views on people not of their faith. Veronica Caley Milford, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Hart To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: perfection Civilization may be in decline, but the symptoms are not those that Ms. Caley suggests. I would suggest that a more pertinent symptom is the omnipresent desire to invade even the most intimate details of a person's life. (The Swedes are reputedly considering legislation to regulate a man's excretory posture.) Couple that with a declining birth rate, government over-regulation, and the looming fiscal disaster that threatens to engulf Europe and the West, and you have better signs of Western decline/suicide. As to the bookmobile, might I point out that all of those books were at one time bought. He might be distributing his own, or he might be distributing donations, in which case he may simply be a parasite, preying upon people's charitable impulses to attain fame, good repute, etc. More promising though is the existence of Amazon, Apple, and others that are in the ebook business. The cost of books that aren't on dead trees is usually far lower (free, $.99, 9.99 being typical prices) than books on paper. They take up less room. They do less damage to forests, though that is negated by the tendency of legislatures to churn multi-thousand page laws. You can also find an enormous library of classic and not so classic lit on the web. iTunes U, Udacity, Mitx, and similar ventures bring quality education to a vaster audience than is possible through standard means. My wife just finished a Yale course on the history of epidemics, and we're doing a Harvard class on Jewish and Christian views of the Hebrew Bible. I've done classes from MIT, Yale, Berkeley, Missouri State, and Notre Dame. The big question is whether the forces of progress, i.e., capitalism and free markets, or the forces of tyranny, big government, oppressive taxation, religious oppression, going to win. "All women are created equal. Then some become Marines" Katy Perry video for "Part of me" Thomas Hart tehart@xxxxxxx On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Veronica Caley wrote: What a wonderful thing to hear. In contrast, we are closing down libraries or limiting hours, while shortening school days or increasing class size. Measure of a civilization in decline I think. Veronica Caley Milford, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Krueger To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] perfection Argentina-based Raul Lemesoff created the Arma De Instruccion Masiva (Weapon of Mass Instruction), a converted 1979 Ford Falcon formerly belonging to the Argentine armed forces, to distribute free books to people on the streets of Buenos Aires. Julie Krueger