On reading the article, it appears that the US Govt not only turns a blind eye, but also even supports and condones an incredible array of torture methods on our enemies. Even the women. On the scale of "civilized" I'm just watching the non-government-organized terrorists and our Govt sponsored torturers getting closer and closer in degrees. I'm not saying this well, but you'll have to take it as it is -- the alka seltzer plus may be finally starting to kick in (have I mentioned that the entire city of Columbia seems to be under siege with a debilitating sinus/head cold thing? Stay away! Don't venture here! At least for a couple weeks..) Julie Krueger ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] moral high ground Date: 2/15/06 11:46:01 A.M. Central Standard Time From: _eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) Sent on: I no longer think "us" any better than the Islamisists and terrorists and suicide bombers. Why? Do you really mean that as a considered statement, having examined what humans are capable of, and arriving at that conclusion? Or do you mean the photos show horrible inhumane treatment that you can't in any way support or condone? Big difference there. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html