If you read the entire article I sent about the Abu Grahib abuses, you would have seen this: <<"Looking at the documents we've received under FOIA, it is very clear to us that the actions of these soldiers were part of a larger program to abuse detainees that was put in place by high-ranking officials," the ACLU's Singh told "Dateline." But high-ranking officials involved appear instead to have been "exonerated and promoted," she said.>> I think that pretty much speaks for itself re. synechdoche. Julie Krueger ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: moral high ground Date: 2/15/06 12:17:53 P.M. Central Standard Time From: _lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) Sent on: Propagandists can apparently convince people that a synecdoche is in play in such matters, that the part stands for the whole, that the actions of misbehaving or criminal soldiers is proof that an entire military force condones such action even when it punishes the action in question. The Reichstadt Fire was that same sort of argument: the part standing for the whole. A Jew set fire to the Reichstadt building; therefore all Jews are to be condemned. Yes, I know a Jew didnât really set that fire, but that doesn ât matter to the propagandists or those who embrace the propaganda. Notice that Irene continues to excoriate the U.S. military despite the fact that the crime that set her off was perpetrated by British soldiers. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Yost Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:41 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] moral high ground I no longer think "us" any better than the Islamisists and terrorists and suicide bombers. Why? Do you really mean that as a considered statement, having examined what humans are capable of, and arriving at that conclusion? Or do you mean the photos show horrible inhumane treatment that you can't in any way support or condone? Big difference there. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html