Hi, Brian, I'll try to explain a tiny bit of what tipped me over the edge--though I DO apologize for causing you to feel affronted (esp as it no doubt did keep you from seeing my thoughts on some of the issues...) Let's see...you have called people 'silly and pathetic', have suggested that someone enjoy living in a 'welfare state' (not, in my mind far from what they are doing in Houston, though, so maybe that was what you meant...seems that our pres and his Congress recently gave Texas about a billion dollars to subsidize the health care system there in light of the use of the hospital use of illegal immigrants [the number I have heard here was that illegal immigrants costs each taxpayer in Houston about $981 per person... So it seems that subsidized health care is 'okay' if the people we are taking care of are not 'our own'. But, I suppose that is because people seem here to be convinced [as our president does] that Texas/Houston's economy would fall apart if there was not illegal immigration...Not sure I see how that would happen [it does not seem to fall apart elsewhere in the country. Though the issue of illegal immigration has been fascinating and one which all the different circles I've been seeing/talking to seem to have interesting thoughts on, actually...the funniest one was the crossness that the US needs to open its southern border but Mexico won't open its border and let the Hondurans in who are trying to do so...) Oh, and about the daughter of the friend of yours...I do publicly apologize if I misunderstood you...my sense was that you had major problems with how our government does subsidize people in need esp in regards to health care--it sounded, to me, like you would have wanted to have your friend's child tossed out in the street rather than being glad that all that could possibly be done was done... [but maybe it was because you thought the little one would be dead shortly or would have a horrible quality of life?] " The daughter of a friend of mine is without insurance and just had her second child and she hasn't paid anything for either births (from the doctor visits all the way up to the hospital bills. Her daughter just born is badly deformed and they only expect her to live days, not weeks, all paid for by the American public)." I remembered talking to a tow truck driver whose child had the same condition that my child had--and his wife got to stay home and I didn't...and we had begged borrowed [and would have stolen had we not been able to do the other, probably <wry look>] in order to provide care to my child as we *were* told that they would not care for him and would let him die/have a horrible quality of life if we didn't come up with the money. Somehow this other family had figured out the whole jumping through hoops [though I think we may have made too much money to qualify and that was why we were not offered that alternative--we *could* borrow money...even though it later cause such significant stress that I am convinced it also caused a cracking to occur in terms of my child's parents' ability to cope with life) But, I do not begrudge that that man's child was able to be taken care of and that the mom got her dream come true of staying home to take care of him. But, on the one hand, we are supposed to care about the 'breakdown of the American family' and yet, do not realize what stressors there are on it and try to remove them. and I think I wondered if your friend knew that you begrudged the medical care for his/her child...and I apologize if I misunderstood you. I was merely trying to express how I would feel if someone had felt that about my child...esp in the beginning when things were so horribly questionable in terms of ever figuring out what to do. I cannot imagine how awful it would be to know that the chance of doing something for your baby might be so slim that people would think it ridiculous and a waste of taxpayer money to try. But, I can understand your friend's desire to try...and if that little one has died, I ache for her/him and if not, then wish I could make it easier to walk through the hard times...and I do NOT mean that in any sort of patronizing way. There was an 'underground' movement of moms who spread the word about me/my child and I got cards and letters from people I did not know whose little ones had been in awful situations. It helped me walk through those hardest of times...and I do what I can when I hear of Others...and even if I do not know if my electrical thoughts sent in the air will ever connect and provide assistance, I still send them out... As far as my version of Christianity <wry look>, please feel free to take the whole of Christianity and be the 'model'. I do not go there at this point in time, though I have been there much in the past, and have done much thinking of the 3000 Scriptures towards the poor (Ron Sider, I think it was [?], was one of the people who listed them all ... though there have been many others...including my former retired library director who was the one most recently to talk about the Church in the Book of Acts. He and his wife are simply incredible people--and he lives his life so that anyone who DID have problems with the concept of Christianity would at least 'pause' and know that there are a few out there who live not just bits and pieces but continue to do the 'going through the loop' [to borrow from Dr Deming' and go deeper and deeper...) I do, indeed, publically apologize to you, Brian, that I come across as 'patronizing' to you. That is not my intent...so I will try to figure out a way to communicate my thoughts in a manner which does not do so. Hoping everyone has a day filled with at least one happy moment, Marlena (usually in Missouri) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html