In a message dated 4/8/2004 3:59:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx writes: Having given the matter some thought, I am arriving to the conclusion that Eric has got a point. Surely acts of individual murder, however despicable, pale in comparison to the extermination of whole nations, classes, races and civilizations. For such enterprises, those backward Mid-Easterners are not much use. Here you need the rational, progressive, enlightened West. Omar, I was seeking to engage people on the value of the ancient near eastern influence on Western cultures. In doing so, we could be discussing attitudes toward authority, approaches to learning, etc., styles of government, paradigms of our relation to the natural world, the impact of Greek thought on the ancient near east after 323 BC, etc. Instead you and Mike Chase (who both should know better) immediately engage in name calling, racist stereotyping, and ad hominems, as if I were some Bubba trying to say them thar Ay-rabs were baaaad. If we could stick to the topic, or at least closely define it, we could maintain civility. That way, everyone who was disposed to learn something might learn something instead of practicing the usual modes of attack. As for your Jesus reference and my Sufi reference, why not add G. Bruno and others to reinforce the point that orthodoxies tend to persecute individual thinking everywhere? Otherwise you are merely making a covert political point about Jews killing Jesus and I am countering with a political point about Moslems killing Sufi mystics. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html