Dear Donal, You 'find the evidence unsatisfactory. Right. There's no _evidence_ that you even understood the evidence. Look at it in light of your rebarbative expression 'criterion philosopher.' You are aparently willing to let everyone else examine the texts--and copy them out for you--while you sit back and toss out one-liners from Popper, without giving these any context and without motivating them in any way. >But this is like asking 'What then is the _colour_ of the invisible rabbit?' and when none is given concluding - 'Ah, see - _there is_ no invisible rabbit!'< Bullshit. You keep talking of 'unsayable rules' in the later writings. You don't have to articulate the rule: you just have to show _one_ instance where such a notion is employed. This is not a bloody debate in which you get points for being clever. If you want to discuss the issues _you've_ raised, discuss them. If not, this discussion is at an end. Richard Henninge and I have perhaps wasted too much time on your fictional Wittgenstein already. Robert Paul Reed College ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html