In a message dated 6/1/2004 12:29:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: But what about whinger? It doesn't provide whinger. From the OED Pronunciations: hw(g)(r), hwnd(r)) "The pronunciation with () or (g) is vouched for by several instances in rime; that with () is indicated by the spelling whinjer (quot. 1823) and implied by the form of Gael. cuinnsear dagger, sword, which is a loan-word from Sc." Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html