JW: " So who else do we add to the list besides Popper and Jaspers?" Me. I cain't get no respect at all. I know that all the so-called civilized whirl hates philosoficulled-serfs, but stealing all (as I do -- stealing thoughts mostly), everthenonetheless, I can think some things for myself, Gotdamilk -- somewhat atunleashed, *i* can, and I unleashed demand dude respect even though I ain't dead yet and ain't got no goddamn cred on the street, steel, I think, steel your heart against the rocks reality trows at you.. I think things like "what the fuck does she see in him?" A good fuck, of course. It all comes down to fucking. You think fucking Plato gave a shit about them shadows???? Fuck no. Not unless they was prono. It's said (by me) that he paid many a drachma to incubi and succubi to fuck in front of cave openings. Porno shadows got him going, I'm telling. Without that Plato's prono we'd all be still wondering what reality's all about. But let me tell you, my fellow fellows, girls don't want no gotdamn thinkers, they want doers and makers and world shakers and lastly (assuming you've passed the prior tests), they want you to be a pussy taker -- a kind of suave and delicate destroyer of the universe. And then there's Popper. Mike Geary BA, MGC, and RPF (Master Gas Contractor, and Refrigeration Proficiency First (Unlimited) as licensed by Memphis and Shelby County Office Of Construction Code Enforcement -- I ain't no pig without a wig. Happy Thanksgiving -- unless, of course, you're an American Indian -- in which case, I apologize on behalf of European Civilization but I'm damn glad we won -- mighty pretty country. Sorry about them Reservations. I know living in dust ain't so very much fun. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:53 PM, John Wager <jwager@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Robert Paul wrote: > > If I were Donal, I'd probably feel the same as he about the mistreatment > of one of my philosophical heroes. I'm not sure thought that I'd see this > as having, so to speak, moral overtones. > > OK, I can't resist this opening. Who ELSE, besides Popper, would those on > the list propose as being "poorly-treated" by other thinkers? In EITHER > being ignored, OR in being badly mis-understood? > > I would propose Karl Jaspers. Mostly because I did a dissertation on > Kant's influence on him, and nobody else seemed to give a darn about > Jaspers, even when I was working on it back in the 1970's. Since then, > he's gotten even less popular and less influential, while everybody is > still gaga over Heidegger. > > Why is Jaspers still worth attention? > > Well, his background in psychiatric medicine and science is not typical > for someone labeled as from the "existential" branch. He has more sympathy > and understanding of clinical practice and the practice of medical science > than almost any other 20th century philosopher. > > Also his indebtedness to Kant, in ways that creatively transform Kant's > three critiques into his own three-volume PHILOSOPHY. His insistence on > the role of reason and science runs counter to most subsequent continental > philosophy, and seems to me to be an attractive path to those of a more > linguistic or analytical bent. > > Lastly, his political and social views of the nature of "mass culture" and > responsibility, particularly the nature of the Nazi movement and its > expansion into German society. Jaspers and Heidegger stand poles apart > here, and I'm always astounded at this and how much more influential > Heidegger was despite our uncomfortableness with his politics. > > So who else do we add to the list besides Popper and Jaspers? > >