[lit-ideas] Re: The Marine Corps and the SAS

Lawrence, if you find talking to civilians about
fighting and war a waste to time, I suggest you
desist.


Judy Evans, Cardiff


--- Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Judy, 
> 
>  
> 
> Your comments are so short and cryptic I can never
> be quite sure what you
> have in mind or mean; so I'll just say this: 
> members of the elite fighting
> forces of the world are largely the same.  They have
> similar training and
> they think in the same patterns about war and
> fighting.  There are
> exceptions, but what I have said is by and large
> true - true in regard to
> most of the members of these forces.  
> 
>  
> 
> Also, what I said was that in boot camp we were told
> that civilians had no
> idea of what it was to be a Marine.  They had a lot
> of dumb ideas of what
> that meant and what it meant to fight a war.  We
> were instructed not to pay
> any attention to them.  But that was boot camp. 
> Later on we went into the
> world and dealt with civilians.  Did we sit down to
> tea with maiden aunts
> and brandish knives and guns?  Of course not.  Were
> we uncouth in social
> settings.  Not at all.  
> 
>  
> 
> Am I convinced that your having met a few SAS
> members gives you insight into
> their nature as fighting men?  Or that John
> McCreery's having a son-in-law
> does that for him?  No. I don't think either of you
> can understand these men
> from that sort of exposure.  
> 
>  
> 
> If you want a better understanding of what being in
> the SAS is all about
> then read Andy McNab's autobiographical Immediate
> Action.
>
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/055214276X/qid=1147193390/sr=1-10/ref=sr_1_
> 10/103-0690183-3594264?s=books
>
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/055214276X/qid=1147193390/sr=1-10/ref=sr_1
> _10/103-0690183-3594264?s=books&v=glance&n=283155/>
> &v=glance&n=283155/
> This book was described as disclosing for the first
> time what being in the
> SAS was like.  They were, and still are, a
> semi-secret fighting
> organization.  Their name was originally intended to
> hide what they did.
> They weren't supposed to talk about what they did. 
> Andy McNab was
> considered by some to have crossed the line with his
> book.  He describes
> things he wasn't supposed to describe.  If you were
> in the SAS you weren't
> supposed to talk about what you did.  That is still
> the case.  Thus, for
> someone to say they met some SAS soldiers and
> learned what they were all
> about doesn't seem convincing to me.  
> 
>  
> 
> In the Marines we were told it would be a waste of
> time to  about what it meant to be a
> Marine.  talk to civilians
> about fighting and warIn the SAS they
> were simply told don't talk about it.
> 
>  
> 
> Lawrence
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Judith Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:10 AM
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Pacifistic expeditions in
> the Garden
> 
>  
> 
> I said
> 
>  
> 
>  I
> 
> > have met
> 
> > ex-SAS officers (ex- because SAS service is
> short-term)
> 
> > and they are not like that.
> 
>  
> 
> and refuse to bow to your reading-McNab knowledge.
> 
>  
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:52 PM
> 
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Pacifistic expeditions in
> the Garden
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> > Read the bio of Andy McNab.  They're exactly like
> that.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Lawrence
> 
> > 
> 
> 



                
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