[lit-ideas] Re: [THEORIA] Illusions

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<<The bottom line is, there's a horrific problem in the Middle East, the WTC is 
gone, we live under the threat and expense of terrorism, all because some guy 
had this bright idea that this undefined thing called  Jewish identity 
shouldn't be lost? >>

Wait a minute.  You're telling me you think the attacks on the Trade Towers 
were because the Jews want to keep their State of Israel?  Just trying to 
clarify.....


A.A. I always tuned out the Middle East conflict except to have this vague idea 
that Jews and Arabs were one ethnic group.  I also had this vague ideat that 
Israel was created in response to the Holocaust.  In the back of my mind I knew 
that Israel was created by throwing the Palestinians out of their homes and 
usurping their land.  I simply didn't know enough about it to care more than 
that, leading me to buy into the myth that Israel was a keeper of democracy in 
the Middle East.  After reading that historical summary, it's clear that Israel 
was planned long before the Holocaust, it is anything but a democracy, and its 
very existence was brought about at gunpoint.  If Gentiles acted like 
barbarians toward Jews, Jews acted just as barbarically toward Palestinians.  

Israel clearly has no legal right to exist where it has located itself.  If 
someone moved into your house and threw you out on the street, you'd be none 
too happy about it.  Yet the Palestinians have had to endure exactly this for 
decades.  Not to mention that Shamir was himself a terrorist.  Here is a 
country founded on usurpation and terrorism complaining about terrorism.  
Barbarism comes full cycle.

Complicating this of course are the rabid Islamists who would force their 
religion on everyone, also at gunpoint, and Israel's unclean hands gives them a 
rallying point.  The hatred that losing one's home has engendered has taken on 
a life of its own.  You asked me all those moral questions in that other post.  
I now ask you if you were a Palestinian, living in a tent for decades because 
your home was stolen, and you learned that the WTC, a supporter of your home 
taker, was destroyed by a group that opposed your home takers, how would you 
feel?

I think a solution to this conflict is to relocate everyone in the State of 
Montana and give it to the Israelis.  Seriously, and please tell me why this is 
ludicrous while forcing Palestinians out of their homes is defendable?  Why 
such selective moral interest?

Personally, I am an atheist.  I see all this religious/ethnic crap as hardly 
worth defending in the first place, let alone dying for, let alone having my 
country terrorized for.  I now definitely see two sides to this issue, as well 
as the price this country is paying for seeing only one side.


Andy Amago



Julie Krueger
mystified

========Original Message======== Subj:[THEORIA] Illusions
Date:7/27/05 8:17:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time
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Something's been bothering me.  Up until now, I assumed, probably like most 
people, that Israel was created after the Holocaust as a refuge for Jews.  
After reading that history by Jodey Bateman, I understand that Israel was 
planned long before the Holocaust as a place where Jewish identity (whatever 
that is) could be preserved.  In its early stages in fact, Israel had a hard 
time maintaining a population of Jews.  The bottom line is, there's a horrific 
problem in the Middle East, the WTC is gone, we live under the threat and 
expense of terrorism, all because some guy had this bright idea that this 
undefined thing called  Jewish identity shouldn't be lost?  There is something 
very wrong with this picture.  I'll bet that most Jews have no idea that this 
is the case either.  I'm not saying that Jews are to blame for anything, least 
of all for their persecution over the centuries (which as an atheist I never 
understood, ! but that's a different story).  I'm saying that this plac
 e called Israel may not be what it's cracked up to be.   Somebody help me out 
here? 

Andy Amago

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