--- Phil Enns <phil.enns@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Omar Kusturica wrote: > > "These former identities [i.e. Croat, Serb, Muslim] > are also subjective, > especially in the context of the former Yugoslavia > where everybody was > educated and ideologically formed on more or less > the same socialist > /secular/ cosmopolitan grounds." > > How can they be subjective? When fighting broke > out, did people have to > do surveys to figure out who was, at any particular > moment, Croat, Serb > or Muslim? *Well, yes, there were surveys actually. What I have been told is that people > knew who was what and > there was nothing subjective about it. After all, > it isn't like one can > wake up one morning and decide to be Croat till > lunch and then Serb for > supper. *What you have been told is not completely accurate. There were quite a few people born from mixed marriages who were not too sure what they were. There were people married to someone of another nation. There was also a considerable percentage of people who regarded themselves as national Yugoslavs rather than Serbs or Croatians. > > My objection is to the claim that 'frameworks' like > being Muslim, Croat, > or Chinese are not subjective. That they are not > subjective seems > evident even from your own accounts, that is, they > are independent > accounts of the good from which we can derive > meaningful behaviour. > Hence the description of what the Chinese or > Israelis do. If these were > subjective, that is idiosyncratic, such descriptions > would meaningless. *Being Chinese, a member of a huge nation with a thousands of years long tradition, might provide a robust moral framework. Being a Serb or Croatian did not provide much of framework for anything when the former Yugoslavia started breaking apart, and I don't think that it does even now. That groups of people do similar things may be due to many reasons other than following a moral framework. O.K. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html